NerdyTrev Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 4 hours ago, DSTZach said: Daredevil did not get one, but I don't know what we would have included. Well, If we're going all in on the "Larval" universe... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cylonchaney Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 I'm sure the enterprising among us will figure out how to safely decapitate Porker and transplant his head to Itsy Bitsy. Not the end of the world. But it would be nice to not have to. Hopefully it will be like Rocket and we will get an articulated version later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buttheadsmate Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 2 hours ago, cylonchaney said: I'm sure the enterprising among us will figure out how to safely decapitate Porker and transplant his head to Itsy Bitsy. Not the end of the world. But it would be nice to not have to. Hopefully it will be like Rocket and we will get an articulated version later. It is the end of my world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cylonchaney Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 1 hour ago, buttheadsmate said: It is the end of my world Well then, we might have to make you one. 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSTZach Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, buttheadsmate said: In a nutshell Peter Porker deserves better than being a 'micro-Mate' . ".......a micro-figure in pretty much every deluxe box set... " By quoting you ,my intention is not to 'bait' but that is simply not reality . I know we have a 'Herbie' & no issues with that ... Scott Lang's head is Scott Lang's head , they're not micro-Mates . Walgreens ....yeah Walgreens.... wave 3, had an *Itsy Bitsy Spider-Man . I know the Deadpool/Spidey story where Itsy Bitsy is featured but Itsy Bitsy Spider-Man is based on ........who actually ??? Anybody, please show me an image of who this character is based on ? That said ,that obscure *Minimate , was surely the obvious base for a Peter Porker Minimate. Peter Parker is 5'10" whilst Peter Porker is 5'2" .....according to 'Marvel database' . There are several Marvel Minimates that portray Marvel characters much smaller than 5'2" so WTF is the issue ? Please ? -baitheadsmate Holy crap! I'm sorry, sir, I had no idea you felt so strongly about Spider-Ham. I only had one issue of Spider-Ham at a very young age, but I've been reading the new books to my son and he loves them! I guess I'm used to you being a connoisseur of the figures more than the source material. (Red FF costumes aside.) As far as height goes, I did the same Google search you must have and found the two sites that said 5'2" -- Marvel.com and Comicvine. The Marvel website is... not 100% accurate in all things. If there is a different unit of foot measurement in his universe, one in which feet are smaller and he is a slightly shortish average adult man, then Spider-Ham may very well be 5'2". But if you put him next to the real Spider-Man, in any universe (including the animated one, I should add) he is only a few human feet tall. We went with the smaller size because that seemed to, visually, be the most accurate, and because like I said, we were trying to reduce the price of each set from $50 to $40, which meant one less poseable figure. We still had room for a Micro-mate though, so voila Spider-Ham. As far as Deluxe Box Sets, we have made three: 1. FF with HERBIE (82) 2. Young Avengers with Lucky (83) 3. Daredevil with nothing (84) I guess the What If Zombie set AND the Commemorative Avengers Set are technically deluxe boxed sets, so if I were to include them in that list, then yes, only two out of five (now three out of six with Ham) sets will have had micro-Mates. My mistake. And Itsy Bitsy Spider-Man is also known as Chibi Spider-Man, and was used in the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon whenever he was imagining himself in a certain situation, I believe. I'm pretty sure this is a screen grab: But they ALSO did an episode where everyone on the squad was turned into a chibi, and it looked like this: Edited October 4, 2023 by DSTZach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buttheadsmate Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 I am smiling as I type this ,thank you for your post it is appreciated . Is it the end of my world ? Of course not.... but I am extremely disappointed that we (I)are ( am) not getting a proper Ham 'mate. Over the years I have never quite 'gotten' when the '2" only licensing " kicked in . There have been some very sad elongated Hulk Minimates for example who shared a podium with exactly 2" Galactus & exactly 2" Sentinels . Here we have a character (5'2'' or whatever ,who cares?) that isn't a giant & .....it makes no sense ? No I don't understand the decision to produce Peter Porker as an accessory but that's the DST decision . IMHO it is an opportunity missed. The Itsy Bitsy explanation is also appreciated but adds to my perplexion re: size . I was born in 1955 , my first US marvel was Avengers issue 19 ,June 1965 ,fresh off the newstands . I was 10. These days my 'source material' lay in boxes in that warehouse that cylonchaney posts pictures of . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padrino Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 not that this is official, but someone suggested putting a Lego Spider-Ham head on Itsy Bitsy, which I immediately did and the effect was perfect! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freaqualizer Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Just now, Padrino said: not that this is official, but someone suggested putting a Lego Spider-Ham head on Itsy Bitsy, which I immediately did and the effect was perfect! T’was I! And I believe @hellpop had said that he did the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NerdyTrev Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 1 hour ago, buttheadsmate said: I was born in 1955 , my first US marvel was Avengers issue 19 ,June 1965 ,fresh off the newstands . I was 10. I'm curious, was it something about Swordsman that captivated you? Because that's a very Swordsman-heavy cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AugieWargo Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 I know I'm definitely in the minority here. The tampos don't bother me because minimates still have way more detail than other block minifigures. I don't mind the micro figure for animals or smaller characters. I always saw Spider-Ham being toddler size so a kid size mate, to me, would seem too big. If Porker, in various poses, made his way into every Marvel boxset I'd be happy every time. I guess I'm just easy to please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buttheadsmate Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, NerdyTrev said: I'm curious, was it something about Swordsman that captivated you? Because that's a very Swordsman-heavy cover. If I recall correctly I was just 'given' the comic by someone who had just returned from the States . The Swordsman was unknown to me as was Cap & the rest . 2 years later the first 'Power' comics were published in the UK ( B & W reprints of Marvel comics) by which time I was hooked . I've had several lapses of interest in comics over the years & I 'came back in' with Brubaker's Winter Soldier which is IMHO the best comic-run I have ever read . That in turn led me back into Marvel, Marvel led me into Minimates & that's pretty much it. Jacques Duquesne is of course a grail of mine & he'd better not turn up as an accessory . How did we get here ? DST brought out a line years ago that lasted several waves & consisted of 80% of the characters being black unpainted plastic from the waist down ....Star Trek . Tooling & tempo minimal ,yet (I'm told ) people loved them ? Plants & Zombies . Lasted for 4 (ish) box sets , 17 characters with nigh on every component a new sculpt generally tampo-printed in every place imaginable . I loved them but IMHO they just had to be unviable before they even hit the stores. My point ? There has to be a middle ground where Minimates are viable for DST & desirable to the kid/ toy collector. After 20 years you'd think that someone at the head of DST would have figured that out . Edited October 5, 2023 by buttheadsmate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSTZach Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 I honestly think it's okay that every MM license has different production requirements and target audiences -- if every set was made for the same audience at the same level of complexity, I am not sure that would move more units or get us into larger retailers. One line doesn't need paint on its legs and minimal tooling. Sure, we can run that one for a while selling to just specialty and Toys R Us, even though kids are largely disinterested in Star Trek. TMNT is new-parts heavy, but appeals to kids, and is able to get into TRU AND KMart, which was at one point a large chain with large orders. That line lasted a while. PvZ was kind of in-between. Heavy tooling, mixed appeal kids and adults -- picked up by TRU. We did four different sets of four figures plus micro-Mates -- the first Deluxe box sets? It didn't last that long, and I don't know how sales did, but there weren't a TON of characters, and there was some behind-the-scenes stuff. (Not every MM line ending is due to sales -- remember, MM licensing is rarely done on its own. It's part of a larger license, and if sales on another line like action figures or statues doesn't do well, or the license is not renewed by either party, it can affect the MM line.) Getting licenses with universal kids AND adult appeal is tough. While most MM sets are for older collectors, those that get picked up by large retailers are largely animation based, with kid appeal. To rule out collector lines in favor of only licenses that have a chance at Walmart takes some of the fun out of it, I think. Besides, the last line to almost reach Walmart was decidedly adult. In short, blaming the head of DST for keeping a diverse and largely enjoyable line of figures going for 20 years seems misdirected. And not sure what you mean by the 2-inch rule. Starting in 2003, we couldn't make Marvel bigger than 2 inches. Using a 2-inch base body, some can be a little bigger than 2". They can be as short as we want, but at some point they are not very poseable (even kid legs and arms are highly restricted, but some characters get one-piece leg stubs). So if they are a smaller character, and not a MAIN character like Rocket Raccoon (who got a poseable figure AND A micro-Mate) then they get a micro-Mate now. To be fair, both the Legends and Select Spider-Ham Figures are non- poseable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freaqualizer Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 1 hour ago, DSTZach said: One line doesn't need paint on its legs and minimal tooling. Sure, we can run that one for a while selling to just specialty and Toys R Us, even though kids are largely disinterested in Star Trek. Speaking of TRU, with the announcement of TRU opening 6 stores in 2024, will we see our favorite plastic crack being sold in TRU again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buttheadsmate Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, buttheadsmate said: After 20 years you'd think that someone at the head of DST would have figured that out . Is that me 'blaming' the head of DST or am I making the correct observation ? 2 hours ago, DSTZach said: And not sure what you mean by the 2-inch rule. Starting in 2003, we couldn't make Marvel bigger than 2 inches. Using a 2-inch base body, some can be a little bigger than 2". They can be as short as we want, but at some point they are not very poseable (even kid legs and arms are highly restricted, but some characters get one-piece leg stubs). Thank you for explaining the 2-inch rule ? Whatever height the licensing allows for , staggering choices have been made regarding how tall some characters have been portrayed in minimate form compared to others . I'm not sure but I reckon the Minimates, Puck & Howard the Duck are taller than Excalibur Captain Britain . I mentioned the Sentinels ,Galactus Minimates because I fully understand the idea behind a standard size , I get it. I also understand why & when that rule ceases to be a rule, because I know who sets the rules. That is another observation . I can also observe that even I am getting fed up with me whinging so I'll stop but...... ......please make that Micro-mate with a standard removable head just like Miss Piggy's. Edited October 5, 2023 by buttheadsmate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSTZach Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 I understood some of that. Chuck had kept the line going for 20 years. He's certainly figured something out. If he's walked away from any license, it's because it was not making money. Blame me for that if you like, blame the sales department, but don't make any "observations" about Chuck. No one can change the 2-inch rule on Marvel Minimates. If you do know who sets the rule, then you know it's not us. If Puck and Howard the Duck are taller than Captain Britain, I would be surprised to learn that. Wish I had more than one of those to check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buttheadsmate Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 Where did I use the word blame ? 8 hours ago, DSTZach said: I understood some of that. That is your Goto remark whenever we clash . I'm never offended . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSTZach Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 Touche! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buttheadsmate Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 (edited) The Lego Peter Porker seems an expensive investment for a 'head' so I did a little 'trawling' of the net . It didn't take more than a few minutes to find a link to a UK company that could supply me with a Lego-type Peter Porker figure @ £2.99 . I bought a few to get free shipping & they arrived in 2 days . In a nutshell the head fits perfectly onto a minimate body , that had already been established, of course . Further trawling shows that the same company that produces these (not the retailer who sold me mine) can supply a whole bloody wave (8) of Porker inspired Marvel figures , iron Man,Hulk ,Captain America et al . Priced @ $0.99 each per character (not per head) + shipping . Edited October 7, 2023 by buttheadsmate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cylonchaney Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 2 hours ago, buttheadsmate said: The Lego Peter Porker seems an expensive investment for a 'head' so I did a little 'trawling' of the net . It didn't take more than a few minutes to find a link to a UK company that could supply me with a Lego-type Peter Porker figure @ £2.99 . I bought a few to get free shipping & they arrived in 2 days . In a nutshell the head fits perfectly onto a minimate body , that had already been established, of course . Further trawling shows that the same company that produces these (not the retailer who sold me mine) can supply a whole bloody wave (8) of Porker inspired Marvel figures , iron Man,Hulk ,Captain America et al . Priced @ $0.99 each per character (not per head) + shipping . Link? I'm so curious. So curious, in fact, that I did not spend the time trying to think of pig related puns to work into my post. Sausages come in links so there's a weak one I guess. Anyway, where can one see these figures? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buttheadsmate Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 (edited) WM Blocks . wmmocbricks.cn. Spider Ham not Peter Porker. Edited October 7, 2023 by buttheadsmate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NerdyTrev Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 8 hours ago, buttheadsmate said: Further trawling shows that the same company that produces these (not the retailer who sold me mine) can supply a whole bloody wave (8) of Porker inspired Marvel figures , iron Man,Hulk ,Captain America et al . Priced @ $0.99 each per character (not per head) + shipping . I appreciate the effort, but it ignores the fact that the "Larval-Universe" is not entirely consistent of "Hams," but rather a cornucopia of animal-superhero hybrids. Captain AmeriCAT Iron MOUSE Hulk BUNNY the aforementioned DEERdevil etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padrino Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 14 hours ago, buttheadsmate said: The Lego Peter Porker seems an expensive investment for a 'head' so I did a little 'trawling' of the net . It didn't take more than a few minutes to find a link to a UK company that could supply me with a Lego-type Peter Porker figure @ £2.99 . I bought a few to get free shipping & they arrived in 2 days . In a nutshell the head fits perfectly onto a minimate body , that had already been established, of course . Further trawling shows that the same company that produces these (not the retailer who sold me mine) can supply a whole bloody wave (8) of Porker inspired Marvel figures , iron Man,Hulk ,Captain America et al . Priced @ $0.99 each per character (not per head) + shipping . I also purchased the “imitation” Peter Porker figure. The real one cost way too much money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navaan Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 I am genuinely excited for Spider-Gwen to upgrade the one on my shelf, and I like that 2099 Miguel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellpop Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 On 10/7/2023 at 6:51 AM, buttheadsmate said: The Lego Peter Porker seems an expensive investment for a 'head' so I did a little 'trawling' of the net . It didn't take more than a few minutes to find a link to a UK company that could supply me with a Lego-type Peter Porker figure @ £2.99 . I bought a few to get free shipping & they arrived in 2 days . In a nutshell the head fits perfectly onto a minimate body , that had already been established, of course . Further trawling shows that the same company that produces these (not the retailer who sold me mine) can supply a whole bloody wave (8) of Porker inspired Marvel figures , iron Man,Hulk ,Captain America et al . Priced @ $0.99 each per character (not per head) + shipping . Those are by a Lego knockoff company; I have quite a few and some of them make really nice figures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Politician Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 Dang, gonna have to come back for this set, really love the roster even if I haven't seen those Spider-Verse movies yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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