MisterPL Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Okay, I'm confused. Is cartoon Morph the same guy as Age of Apocalypse Morph? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinous Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 hour ago, MisterPL said: Okay, I'm confused. Is cartoon Morph the same guy as Age of Apocalypse Morph? No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TENIME_art Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 He is, in the same sense that 616 Cyclops is the same guy as AoA Cyclops. They're both Kevin Sydney. Just in different universes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mnemosis Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Is that accurate, though? I thought comic book morph was an alien and cartoon Morph was a mutant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterMiracle Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) So...does it help our chances at all if we base it off of the X-Men 92 comic instead of the cartoon? Edited January 16, 2018 by MisterMiracle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterPL Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 I was just wondering if the Morph I found repulsive in the cartoon is the same as the AoA Morph Minimate I regretted passing on at TRU years ago. If they're the same guy I might just QC my own Morph from a Series 60 bod and grandpa's windbreaker. (Brilliant character design. Brown coat. So edgy.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TENIME_art Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Mnemosis said: Is that accurate, though? I thought comic book morph was an alien and cartoon Morph was a mutant Everything I found yesterday when this first came up was that Cartoon Morph was eventually revealed to actually be Kevin Sydney/Changeling (and apparently had some homages to Changeling in his character development in the show), and that the Exiles & AoA versions are Kevin as well (heck, I remember dialogue from AoA Astonishing where Rogue & Magneto I think are joking about his "awful purple headgear when he went by 'Changeling'"). Edited January 16, 2018 by TENIME_art Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillbob316 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) Primary 616 Marvel Comics Canon - Changeling is Kevin Sydney (Dead), a Caucasian male who wore a hideous blue and purple outfit with a ridiculously over-sized headdress (and no cape). He was a short-lived character who died very early in the X-Men's publication history. Morph, on the other hand is Benjamin Deeds, who is a modern unrelated character with similar powers. 90's Animated Series - Morph is Kevin Sydney, a Caucasian male who wore a standard blue & yellow X-Men Strike Force Uniform (sometimes w/ a brown coat) This is the Morph most people are familiar with, thanks to the popularity of the 90s cartoon. The 90s Morph character, as most people know it, was created for this series, and mainly only ever existed in this series. Though it was loosely based on the Changeling character from the comics (with an updated more 90s X-Men Look). His codename was changed from Changeling to Morph, as I understand it, to avoid legal ramifications from DC who also have a character named Changeling (better known as Beast Boy) Age of Apocalypse - Morph is Kevin Sydney, but looks nothing like any prior versions of the character. He is bald, has white skin, no nose, and wears a blue outfit with a purple cape. Exiles - Morph is Kevin Sydney, and his look is based largely on the Age of Apocalypse version of the character (though he is technically a different version, from a different universe). he starts off with the same blue outfit and purple cape, but eventually changes to a more unique orange-yellow outfit and blue cape. X-Men Adventures - Being that this is a comic book adaptation of the 90's Animated Series, this is the only instance, as far as I know, where "90s Morph" (as portrayed in the cartoon) appeared in a comic book. Though this comic book was set outside the primary Marvel 616 canon. X-Men '92 - though based on the 90's X-Men, as far as I know Morph didn't appear in this book (nor Changeling, nor Kevin Sydney in any form). (Though feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, because I've never actually read X-Men '92) If he did appear, I imagine the case would be much the same as X-Men Adventures. ALL THAT SAID... As was mentioned earlier... except for Benjamin, they're all the same character, in the same sense that 616 Cyclops, Animated Cyclops and Age of Apocalypse Cyclops are all the same character. But they've used different code-names, and they all have wildly different costumes and looks. A 616 Changeling Minimate vs. An Animated Morph Minimate vs. an Age of Apocalypse Morph Minimate, would all be three radically different minimates, none of which could stand-in for one another. ALL THAT SAID... The only real question here is whether or not Diamond could make an Animated 90s Morph minimate. Legally. We know they can make the comic book versions of the character. I can only assume they don't have the rights to the 90s cartoon, but his appearance in X-Men Adventures (the non-canon comic) makes it a little bit of a grey area. Zach? lol... Edited January 16, 2018 by Gillbob316 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterPL Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 For what it's worth, I just checked the Marvel artwork style guide online and, of course, nothing comes up for "Morph." Then again, no X-Men characters appear either. (Side note: The only Fantastic Four incarnation that appears is the team made up of Hulk, Wolverine, Ghost Rider, and Spider-Man.) But I didn't stop there! I did some sleuthing and discovered that Toy Biz made Morph action figures. Doubting that the notoriously frugal Ike Perlmutter would pay for the rights to make a figure of such a relatively obscure character, I checked the packaging and, sure enough, Morph appears to be owned by Marvel. Check out that copyright line in the lower left corner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinous Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 I don't even get the Morph (90s cartoon) love. His reason for going bad was pretty bad. Never cared for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mnemosis Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I stand corrected. I don't know WHYi always thought 616 morph was as alien Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elhonez Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 6 hours ago, Gillbob316 said: ALL THAT SAID... Great summary Gillbob. This all sounds like a compelling argument for Morph: Through the Ages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiniFiend UK Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 19 hours ago, MisterPL said: Okay, I'm confused. Is cartoon Morph the same guy as Age of Apocalypse Morph? In the UK its gets even more confusing That's Morph to the vast majority of people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterPL Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Morph was such a generic, trendy word at the time. I recall it being used to describe the then-groundbreaking CGI used to render the shape-changing T-1000 in Terminator 2 a lot. Then the X-Men cartoon aired on Fox with a new character and I thought, Oh, of course he's named Morph. It'd have been like introducing a villain in 2017 named Complicit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stack32 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 You know who definitely is not in TRU 26? Morph. And also Changeling. From any continuity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mnemosis Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 5 hours ago, MisterPL said: Morph was such a generic, trendy word at the time. I recall it being used to describe the then-groundbreaking CGI used to render the shape-changing T-1000 in Terminator 2 a lot. Then the X-Men cartoon aired on Fox with a new character and I thought, Oh, of course he's named Morph. It'd have been like introducing a villain in 2017 named Complicit. Or a hip hop artist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nessex Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) I have a soft spot for the X-Men Animated Morph. I used to have to leave for school before it started, so I'd set the VCR to record each episode and then watch it when I got home in the afternoon. As I understand it, Morph was brought in to the animated series because the shows creators wanted to start the series off by showing how serious the plight of mutants was, and so they *kinda* invented one, just so they could kill him. He was the X-Men equivalent of a red shirt. Having said that, I always thought he was funny and would have been worth keeping around. Although - it didn't take much to make me laugh as a 12 year old. *EDIT* Oooooh - just found out some extra Morph trivia... Morph was almost Thunderbird! 'Originally, it was going to be Thunderbird who died in "Night of the Sentinels, Part Two" since the character died in his second mission for the X-Men. However, it was pointed out that the writers were going to kill off their only Native American character early in the series.' Edited January 17, 2018 by Nessex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suicidewatch Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Morph. For real? Y’all really know how to derail a thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloDelorean Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Is this better or worse than the Boom-Boom discussion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callsign_morlock Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 i'd like to see a Morph and Pam Dawber 2-pack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterPL Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 1 hour ago, callsign_morlock said: i'd like to see a Morph and Pam Dawber 2-pack In an egg-shaped clamshell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TENIME_art Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Morph & Mindy was the best show ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buttheadsmate Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 So nanu nanu's is......er... good news? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellpop Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 5 hours ago, BuffaloDelorean said: Is this better or worse than the Boom-Boom discussion? At least there's no Liefeld art. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mnemosis Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Do we even HAVE admins anymore? LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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