pk13 Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 Bendis is, officially, the worst writer in the history of comics. HELLPOP GETS IT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mnemosis Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 Bendis has some stinkers, but they're counterbalanced against some really great stuff, too. Loeb? He's solidly awful, through and through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zexion_Armando Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 Bendis has some stinkers, but they're counterbalanced against some really great stuff, too. Loeb? He's solidly awful, through and through. Yeah, the only reason people don't completely hate him is because of Long Halloween (and depending on the age of the person, Hush.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellpop Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 The worst? I dont know. Ultimatum still exists... lol. Bendis's work on Daredevil and Dark Avengers and (in my opinion at least) Uncanny and All New X-men keep him from being the worst. You know, I've never read Ultimatum. But I do agree that Jeph Loeb is Bendis' main competition for worst ever, so.... My methodology for this statement is this: you have to rate these things on a sliding scale of popularity in relation to talent. I feel comfortable in saying that Limp Bizkit is the worst band ever, because their talent to popularity ratio is so out of whack. Bendis and Loeb are both in that same camp. They often produce dreadful work, but it sells really well so they get to keep making more dreadful work. I put Bendis ahead of Loeb because, of the two, he's had the greater long term impact. Loeb's work stinks equally, but it's usually self-contained. Bendis has been allowed to shape the entire Marvel Universe. That's like making Fred Durst a record executive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karamazov80 Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 I own a Fred Durst mini figure. . .I am shame incarnate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigvis497 Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 (edited) I put Bendis ahead of Loeb because, of the two, he's had the greater long term impact. Loeb's work stinks equally, but it's usually self-contained. Bendis has been allowed to shape the entire Marvel Universe. That's like making Fred Durst a record executive. There was a time when Chuck Austen was writing A LOT of books for Marvel... Edited May 24, 2014 by bigvis497 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battlecat Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 He can't structure or write events to save his life (I'd say House of M and Seige are the only two that kind of work, a bit). He clearly struggles with team books, although his X-Men titles are a massive improvement on most of the Avengers stuff. He writes great solo titles (Alias, Daredevil, Moon Knight, Ultimate Spidey both OG and Miles). Age of Ultron was terrible. I gather Angela was thrown in at the end by editorial to woo Gaiman back to the company. AND I was just about to mention Austen's X-Men run as the official worst superhero comics ever, but bigvis beat me to it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roccothegreat Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 Did someone just mention Fred durst in 2014? That is amazing haha Say his name 3 times in a dark room and a red hat appears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trekker 42 Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 Gotta say I agree that Bendis kills solo books. Because until Death of Spider-Man I read every issue of Ultimate Spider-Man and I loved them. So much, each and every one. He never failed to give a great story even in the midst of something as godawful as Ultimatum. So props to Bendis for one of the best ongoing series I ever gave up on. And I can't say that I can speak to the quality of Morales or Bendis's writing going forward since I haven't read past Death of Spider-Man. I just thought Peter Parker dying was just the best place to end that book, so I let it go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whywing Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 I haven't read AoU since it came out but I recall liking it quite a bit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nebraska Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 I liked all of Bendis' Avengers stuff including "Disassembled". Maybe it's because I'm a big Kevin Smith & Quentin Tarantino fan that I find Bendis' dialogue mimics their styles. I also really enjoy "Powers", but I must agree that he is overrated. Marvel has much better writers at their disposal yet Bendis seems to receive most of the acclaim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mnemosis Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 1) I don't count Hush as a check in Loeb's win column. "Hi, Bruce Wayne's childhood bear friend we've never met before. NO chance you're the mysterious new villain, right?" That's to say nothing of the clown car of cameos. 2) I give Austen a pass for the way he handled Juggernaut's hero turn. It was, imho, the single most convincing character arc for any villain-turned-hero. I still hate that it was undone by Claremont seemingly on a whim. 3) Hellpop, I get what you're saying re: how bad a writer is vs how important they are. Still, I find I like most of Bendis's plots, I just don't like his pacing and how they come together. I'd argue that AoU is probably the ONLY Bendis story I truly dislike. House of M want bad, just derivative of the AoA. I think my least favorite Bendis arc came in New Avengers where four-and-a-half issues of a six issue arc were spent with the team having a ten minute long battle with no idea who was attacking them only to suddenly wrap everything up out of nowhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigvis497 Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 Austen doing one halfway decent thing doesn't take away from the HUNDREDS of other things he did that were jaw-droppingly awful, for example anytime he gave a female character dialogue. And his villain rehabilitation arc pales in comparison to the stuff that Busiek and Nicieza were doing on Thunderbolts around the same time. AFIAK, Claremont didn't change Juggernaut back into a villain, that was Mike Carey on X-Men Legacy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mnemosis Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 Pretty sure it was Claremont in Excalibur. Maybe you're right though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigvis497 Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 Claremont was using Juggernaut in his Excalibur cast, but when he got sick, Frank Tieri took over and wrote the arc where Cyttorak was unhappy with Marko as a benevolent Juggernaut. In Carey's Legacy be became a villain again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mnemosis Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 Ahh, shoot. I've been blaming Claremont all along. Damnit Tieri! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellpop Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 I knew that, when I called Bendis the worst writer ever, that poor Chuck Austin's name would come up. In my mind, both Bendis and Loeb are worse, because they've had a much bigger effect on the industry. Austin's too unpopular to be the worst, following my logic (if you follow my logic). Bendis' solo hero work is better then his "big" books, to be sure, but I'm still not a big fan. Alias got on my nerves after awhile; it's a great example of the freedoms of the 18+ label leading to lazy writing. Daredevil I think is probably his best book from start to finish. Ultimate Spider-Man, I only read the first book, but I didn't care for it. All those are clearly better then his team or event books, though. I'm probably overreacting to Age of Ultron a bit; maybe in time it will fade and I'll be able to rate it properly. But I definitely don't think I've read a comic that was so poorly crafted, that dragged and dragged and dragged, and that had such a lame payoff. To really appreciate its' badness, compare it to that great Ultron arc in Kurt Busiek and George Perez' Avengers run. Now that was a comic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mnemosis Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 I DO follow, and it makes damn fine sense. I remember at wizard world 03 walking past Bendis to get Austen's autograph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undeadpool Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 I actually have never been a big fan of Bendis until recently, I've read everything hes written (Marvel at least) but All New X-men and GOTG are the only books of his i've truly enjoyed, and GOTG still makes me mad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pappymojo Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 Crappy comic. Great minimates! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zexion_Armando Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 I think Age of Ultron also suffers from being half baked and editorial forced it cause its next event wasn't ready.The consequences of it were interesting though, besides Angela. Seeing Galactus end up in 1610 was cool (I only read the Hunger prologue though lol) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mnemosis Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 But before they forced it, they delayed it for EVER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellpop Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 I also wonder if they tried to drag it out, since there is in no way ten issues of plot in the damn thing. Like, six at the max. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goods4life Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 I liked all of Bendis' Avengers stuff including "Disassembled". Maybe it's because I'm a big Kevin Smith & Quentin Tarantino fan that I find Bendis' dialogue mimics their styles. I also really enjoy "Powers", but I must agree that he is overrated. Marvel has much better writers at their disposal yet Bendis seems to receive most of the acclaim. I second that. I have everything he has done since 2013 in graphic novel with a couple missing volumes and although theres an issue here and there I don't care for he does a good job. Reading back on some of the older stuff again by Claremont as much as I enjoy it some of it was pretty cheesy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mnemosis Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 Oh god yes. Claremont's old shit was cheesy and his newer stuff disregards almost all writing to take place since he left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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