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Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (TV) - Discussion {Spoilers}

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After the discussion in the Avengers 2 thread I shudder to think of what the look "we" want would actually look like onscreen. No thanks.

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I found the last half of the first Agents of Shield season to be must watch TV. My wife really enjoys it too. Anyone interested in discussing the season finale? I just watched it last night. Wow!

Grant Ward

My biggest fear was that the show was going to rehabilitate Ward back into being a good guy. This still could happen in Season 2, but it seems less likely after the season finale. I just don't think it would be even remotely plausible, after what he has done, to spin the character into someone who suddenly found his moral compass. He's too far gone. The show is building an "out" for him to "turn good" by excusing him as directionless and weak willed, but I really hope the show doesn't go down that path. Deathlok murdered because he had to save his son's life. There was an end that justified his immoral means. Ward murdered because Garrett told him to murder. He had no end. He just followed orders and acted like a textbook sociopath.

I do think Ward has a lot of potential to become even more evil, and I hope the show takes that route in the near term. He is definitely a sympathetic character to some degree, but he's the perfect candidate to be turned into a vengeful Super Villain. Perhaps Ward will attempt to reform and atone for his past evil ways while in prison, only to receive some sort of emotionally devastating rejection of forgiveness from Coulson. That could send Ward spiraling into the type of vengeful super villain we all love to hate.

Super Villains

So which Marvel super villain could Ward become? Which villains do you think we will see in Season 2?

Black Out - Seems like a no-brainer for a Season 2 villain. Already hinted at in media.

High Evolutionary - There has been a lot of "evolution" talk in the last few episodes. I could see him emerging as the big bad guy for the second season. It would fit nicely with Skye's parents being "monsters". I also think the weird code Coulson and Garrett were writing on the walls seemed vaguely "High Evolutionary"-ish. I think they could also tie the High Evolutionary with genetics research conducted on Asgardians.

Crossfire - Created by writer Steven Grant, I could see Ward developing into this villain. Crossfire and Ward share a spy background and sharpshooter skills. Ward has experienced first hand the power of mind control with the Asgardian Lorelei, so it wouldn't be a stretch for him to desire some mind control tech of his own. In fact, given his own irrational slavish obedience to Garrett, mind control technology might be the one thing Ward can use to level the moral playing field, so to speak, between himself and his former team-mates. I mean, if Ward can make Coulson murder someone by making him simply follow an order, what moral distinction remains between Ward and Coulson?

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I still want to see The Leader show up on MAOS but he might be reserved for a Hulk sequel. Which is too bad because his appeance in The Incredible Hulk amounted to a cameo.

Not sure what they're doing with Ward but considering his biggest ally (Fitz) in out of action, no one on that remaining team should trust him. I don't see him being redeemed.

I like the roster at the end. Simmons might not seem the same without Fitz but they always felt redundant, like two halves of a whole. Triplett's a great addition, especially as a legacy character; grandson of an original Howling Commando! Throw in Maria Hill full time and I think we've got a decent mix.

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Probably not but, what the heck, they make my posts smaller. It would be cool to see The Leader show up in MAOS but I think you are right that he would be held in reserve for a Hulk movie.

I'd like to see Fitz have a long, drawn out recovery. The more he suffers, the more despicable Ward ultimately seems for what he did. Plus it puts an exclamation point on Fitz's expression of love for Simmons. I agree that Fitz and Simmons are a bit redundant although there was an entertaining chemistry between them. Drawing out Fitz's recovery also pushes out the need to confront the Triplett/Simmons/Fitz love triangle.

With "How I Met Your Mother" concluded, it would be nice to see Maria Hill get added to the roster. However, I don't think the team needs another leader character at the moment. Plus, they would need to explain why Fury chose Coulson and not Hill to be the new Director.

Instead, I think it would be cool to introduce an anti-Fitz to the team. A character with Fitz's skill sets who butts heads with Simmons and generally causes problems for the rest of the team. It sets the stage for a potential new villain (Fixer?) and ultimately a nemesis for Fitz and Simmons.

The only character I don't want to see return is Deathlok. There were some cool moments with the character but he doesn't add much to the overall dynamic or story. We get it, you love your kid. In fact, you love your kid so much you are willing to murder untold numbers of innocent people to keep him safe. Got it. Deathlok is a weak character overall. He might be super powered, but he has a massive, glaring weakness that any minor criminal could exploit. Kidnap his son, and he turns into your personal hit man. Add to that his primary systems can be hacked by someone like Skye and it's best just to have Deathlok fade away into obscurity.

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I think Deathlok's story arc has run its course. I'm okay if he returns so long as it isn't forced and they find a way to continue growing the character. He may not be all that interesting in comics but maybe new writers can give him new directions and added depth.

Fitz's role was the gadget guy, a role which Triplett appears to have taken over. I can see him and Simmons getting into an on-again, off-again relationship (though that seems a little out of character for Simmons) until Fitz returns.

You're right about Fury not choosing Hill as Director. That would need to be addressed but in the meantime, she could replace Ward or even Coulson in his previous role as Lead Agent.

And WTF was up with Koenig?! When "Billy" first appeared, I thought, "A HA! They're using life model decoys after all!" But no. We're really supposed to accept these two different characters? Am I missing something from the comics?

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I've watched the entirety of AOS season 1 and I am definitely glad I stayed with it because the second half of the season was great. Please don't mind my unorganized thoughts below.

-Fitz was my favorite character of the series, so it does suck that he will be gone for the time being, but Triplett does make up for him.

-All of the Hydra double crossing was great and unexpected, Especially with Sitwell {Even though that was not revealed in AOS.}.

Bill Paxton was a very fresh and fun addition to the show.

-As for Ward himself; Jatta you mentioned some villains he may turn into, but for some reason a lot of people of various discussion boards are saying he would be a good fit for taskmaster, I don't have much knowledge of Taskmaster so can anyone explain why?

-While AOS did do a lot with Captain America: Winter Soldier, I do feel like it could have done a bit more with Thor and Iron Man. I really enjoyed the extremis and Thor episodes, but I feel like the agents should have had a lot more to say about the events.

This isn't a spoiler, I was just curious if you guys think if they should introduced an A or B list villain as next season's villain, or if they should just stick with C/D tier for the show.

And WTF was up with Koenig?! When "Billy" first appeared, I thought, "A HA! They're using life model decoys after all!" But no. We're really supposed to accept these two different characters? Am I missing something from the comics?

I guess I missed a line during the finale and I know the original Koenig said something about playing video games with his brothers, but I was under the impression that they were LMD's programmed to think they are brothers?

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Zombie Shakespear

I thought they were going to do this (kill off Deathlok's kid) but I could see how killing kids probably isn't a prime time show event material. Given how desperate and crazy they made Deathlok's character, his son's death would only provoke his suicide. I hope we are done with Deathlok.

MisterPL

I thought Triplett was supposed to be more of a Specialist like Ward. His gadget ability seems limited to the stuff he swiped from grandma.

I hope Hill doesn't replace Coulson as lead agent at this point. I think Coulson should remain hands on while he rebuilds Shield. Plus I thought Hill was going to work for Stark?

I have no idea about Koenig. The brother thing seems too cheesy, it would be a lot cooler if Fury had every secret base stocked with a Koenig clone.

DarkRedShadow

Ward as Taskmaster seems like a fit on the surface because Taskmaster is a well known villain with hand-to-hand combat skills. But beyond that it all falls apart. Taskmaster has a super power - the ability to mimic the fighting style of anyone he encounters. Ward clearly doesn't have this power now, and his getting his ass kicked by Agent May dents his hand-to-hand combat supremacy. Taskmaster would not lose a hand-to-hand fight with a lone Shield agent. True, they could find a way for Ward to develop this super power. But there is a second aspect of Taskmaster that Ward clearly doesn't have. Taskmaster is a tactical combat genius, very intelligent, and a natural leader. He often stays out of direct conflict with heroes, preferring instead to train other villains. When he does go toe to toe with heroes like Captain America - he brings an army. Ward has none of these attributes. Ward is a skilled fighter and top notch sharpshooter. But I don't see Ward building a mercenary empire with his natural leadership abilities. Like Skye said - he's weak.

On the other hand, Crossfire fits the bill perfectly. Former spy and an expert marksman who has gone toe to toe with Hawkeye. The whole mind control aspect of Crossfire fits nicely with Ward as well. Ward couldn't garner his own henchmen with his personality, but he could build a fearsome army with a mind control device. Given his Stockholm Syndrome like obsession with being Garrett's personal slave, and his own mind control experience with Lorilei, Ward would have a deep personal interest in getting his hands on mind control technology. There are two obvious targets - Skye and Coulson. Neither would forgive him without some sort of mind control device, and I think Ward craves acceptance or something from both now that Garrett is dead.

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My theory on Koenig:


He's an LMD. There's one posted at every secret base, keeping it up and running. What keys me in to this is Billy repeating Eric's intro lines verbatim. What I'd love to see is them arriving at different bases over the course of the second season, and every time being greeted by a differently named Koenig, using the exact same lanyard line. Plus, this being a Whedon show, they could kill each Koenig in increasingly horrible ways!



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any theories about Skye's dad?

I read somewhere that based on the design of the room he was in, he could be The Mandarin?

Also, there were theories about Skye being an Inhuman.

what do you reckon?

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Season 2 just started and im happy with it. Already much better than last year. I like Talbot.

(I still think Person of Interest is a better show).

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This was definitely one of my favorite episodes so far. It was superior to even some of the best episodes from last season. The pacing was on point and the story tied into to the larger MCU well. The new cast members fit right in and Absorbing Man was awesome. I can't wait to see what this season brings!

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So season 4 soon (I'm just going to start Season 3, I'm a bit behind.)

Now I'm not a fan of the modern take on Ghost Rider but have to say this image is cool and has sold me a bit more on the TV version

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I REALLY wished they used Johnny Blaze....:( I mean, I'm glad GR is happening, but come on guys..

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I'm glad it's NOT Johnny Blaze. Blaze needs his own super-dark Netflix show, not a guest role on ABC.

Not thrilled with the CGI skull/mask/helmet, it looks very cheap in a still image.

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24 minutes ago, MisterPL said:

We all did. It was amazing. Came right after the imaginery announcement of the Moon Knight series.

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What an end to what I feel was it's best season to date!  How about that cliffhanger?  Season 5 looks to be headed in a totally new direction!

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I found the finale a bit rushed but it was so full of awesome moments it barely mattered. The whole Agents of HYDRA arc was really great, there's a legitimate argument to be made that it's the best comic series currently on television. It's too bad so many fans decided to hate this show early on.

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7 hours ago, stack32 said:

I found the finale a bit rushed but it was so full of awesome moments it barely mattered. The whole Agents of HYDRA arc was really great, there's a legitimate argument to be made that it's the best comic series currently on television. It's too bad so many fans decided to hate this show early on.

I guess it was too bad this show kinda sucked early on.

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