MiniFiend UK Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 This is on the BBC website today and all I can say is that after reading it I was that appalled it at actually made me physically ill. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-15026952 I feel so sorry for the baby all it would ever want is love and affection and it gets that!. If babys can understand fear at that age every day must have been hell when it knew what was coming. F**kin B%^&£rds shouldn't be locked up they should be put down! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 I'm having a hard time even fathoming what went on there. Very deeply disturbing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groundhog7s Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 This is why many countries still have laws like 'an eye for an eye' where the punishment is the same as the crime. Of course, if they were here in the states, there's a chance they could get away with it with the right lawyer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacksun1520 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 I honestly don't think there is a punishment severe enough for what these "people" have done. How in the hell could anyone possibly do this, let alone to their own child??? WTF is wrong with humanity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groundhog7s Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 (edited) Back in 2000, my 10-month-old nephew was beaten to death by his father. There was a history of abuse whenever my step-sister would let him go to his dad's house, but she and my dad and stepmom didn't wise up enough until it was too late. It was a horrible, tragic part of my life and being in the middle of something like that changes your perspective quite a bit (especially when he was just months older than my twins). The dad had a history of violenc e since his teens and was even dishonorably discharged from the military because of it. At the trial, he plea-bargained for 16 years in prison with no chance of parole. The prosecutor was complete inept and the defense attorney was very well paid. While in prison, he got studied and got a Master's Degree and because of that and his status as a model citizen he was released for good behavior after 8 years. He hit his 10 month old son 5 times in the head (with a force equivalent to falling froma third story window) and somehow broke both of the child's hands and he was out after 8 years and got his education paid for while he was there. And now that he's out, he teaches martial arts to children. When I see irresponsible parents doing horrendous things like this that result in serious harm or death of a child, I think about how the death of my nephew was handled just sends out a message that harming a child doesn't get you nearly the punishment you deserve in most cases and frequently, like with the Casey Anthony trial, you might even get to walk away from it. At least it's good to know that some day everyone will have to answer to Someone who knows all the facts. Edited September 22, 2011 by groundhog7s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattallica Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 WTF! im curious as to their reason for doing it, probably too damn lazy to feed the child properly. very sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Back in 2000, my 10-month-old nephew was beaten to death by his father. There was a history of abuse whenever my step-sister would let him go to his dad's house, but she and my dad and stepmom didn't wise up enough until it was too late. It was a horrible, tragic part of my life and being in the middle of something like that changes your perspective quite a bit (especially when he was just months older than my twins). The dad had a history of violenc e since his teens and was even dishonorably discharged from the military because of it. At the trial, he plea-bargained for 16 years in prison with no chance of parole. The prosecutor was complete inept and the defense attorney was very well paid. While in prison, he got studied and got a Master's Degree and because of that and his status as a model citizen he was released for good behavior after 8 years. He hit his 10 month old son 5 times in the head (with a force equivalent to falling froma third story window) and somehow broke both of the child's hands and he was out after 8 years and got his education paid for while he was there. And now that he's out, he teaches martial arts to children. When I see irresponsible parents doing horrendous things like this that result in serious harm or death of a child, I think about how the death of my nephew was handled just sends out a message that harming a child doesn't get you nearly the punishment you deserve in most cases and frequently, like with the Casey Anthony trial, you might even get to walk away from it. At least it's good to know that some day everyone will have to answer to Someone who knows all the facts. That is truly tragic and I can't even begin to express how sorry I am for that. I'm a defense attorney, and I've gone through some crises of conscience. Hearing about your nephew (and the people in the article)... life in prison is the least people like that should get, and if that's all they get, they should be thankful. There are crimes, and there are CRIMES. We need to do more to protect our children, and I have walked away from cases (and the big fees) because I just wouldn't be able to live with it. Our system needs serious reform to prevent something like that from happening, especially in the arena of domestic, at-home violence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buttheadsmate Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 When I saw the thread's title I knew what 'Fiend was referring to before I read his first post. What can I add ? All I can say is that these horrors are not the norm despite what we all might think...let the perpetrators rot in hell. My friend Joshua's post brings these horrors very close to home . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattallica Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 i didnt even see GHs post(looks like we posted at the same time) before, reading it now makes me so angry that our system of "justice"? is so warped that not only does slime like that get off without being put to death but he gets out early and now is allowed contact with children, he deserves nothing more than a bullet in the head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battlecat Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 That's heartbreaking GH. Beyond sorry to hear that a child, and your whole family, had to experience something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nessex Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 (edited) i really do believe in rehabilitation. I'm generally not an eye for an eye person. . . but you have to wonder sometimes if some people can be rehabilitated. Force feeding someone to death is a horrific notion, made up for sickening movies about serial killers. The idea that someone could do it to a child just bewilders me. I don't have any words for how upsetting that story was. People who prey on the weak or defenseless, especially on children, fill me with a serious and grave contempt. Nothing makes me angrier in this world. Nothing. @ Groundhog: I can't imagine how scary and upsetting that must have been for you and for your family. I'm so very sorry. Edited September 23, 2011 by Nessex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM2 Dinobot Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 I thought we weren't supposed to discuss this kind of stuff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nessex Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 the news???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM2 Dinobot Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 Politics, religion, the death sentence, ect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirymate Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 Well, TM2, hope not to make your head spin, but when I read stories like this, or Groundhogs, all I can think of is "Vengeance is mine, sayeth the Lord, I will repay." Call it what you will, but whether or not these people face justice here, they will face it eventually. Sure, I believe in power of repentance and redemption too, but even that brings it's own punishment. If you feel enough condemnation to ask for divine forgiveness, then you have enough of a conscious that an act like that will haunt you for the rest of your days. So one way or another, these people will get theirs. YMMV, but this helps me stay sane...ish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groundhog7s Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 I think it's different when most everyone can agree that what happened was horrible and a bad reflection of what can happen in society. And let me say that I normally don't talk about what happened in my family. It's something I've dealt with and don't mention much because I'm not looking for sympathy. It is what it is though. I guess for me, though, seeing what happened to that child means something to me because I understand that that child probably had grandparents, aunts, uncles, siblings, etc. that now have to deal with this loss. The child is way better off now than it was with deplorable parents, but everyone else has to go on with life. It's just sad on so many levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdyCarter Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 I thought we weren't supposed to discuss this kind of stuff? Within reason its fine, the rules are as flexible as the staff feel like been with them (I feel that comment may bite me at some point), this is a sad story and some members have shared personal experiences related with the story, theres nothing wrong with that. The rule is mainly there to fall back on around religion or the election season when people can get overly zelous and start some pretty severe arguments, sensible interlectual discussion is fine, while this is a toy board we are also a community and as such certain discussion will transpire. We're largely self moderating nowadays anyways as most of us know each other and the wider audience well enough not to push stuff. TLDR: This is fine, if it gets overly political/religious its not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystery Man Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 Heartbreaking and disturbing. I will try and soothe my heart by taking solace that the baby is now in Heaven, surrounded by loved ones. As for the parents who did this... I don't know if it was ignorance or out-right meanness/laziness. I don't know whether to be furious at them or just take pity on their ignorant "good" idea. Why don't I? Well for one, I couldn't get past the first paragraph of the article without getting very depressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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