dr baghead Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 You know, she fought Black Cat in the CLAWS arc... I hope this is just trivia/justifying your want of White Rabbit and not a suggestion for a 2-pack, because we HAVE two of her already NEW CHARACTERS! NO RETREADS!!! and the like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Oh, what's the phrase? Snap? Zing? Dare I say even... Face? It's a good thing he's doctor, because you just got some third degree BURN!!! Since I support getting needed updates, I can say that a White Rabbit/Black Cat two-pack, aside from having little to no selling power, would be a cool set. And that second Black Cat was part of that QC train wreck set, so it seems almost wrong to count that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youbastards Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 (edited) Not to argue with Ivan, but by my count we have (or will have) 192 different 616 characters represented in minimate form, some with multiple aliases (I count Brock-Venom and Anti-Venom as one character on my list) as well as multiple costumes or redos. 46 alternate Universe characters, including Zombies, Ultimates, and guys like Miguel O'Hare. And 65 characters from the Marvel Movies. Add those up however you like, or just go with Ivan's numbers. He, after all, is the man. Okay, I just did a quick tally based on Wikipedia lists for the Marvel Universe figures. I also included Hasbro's sub-series (Iron Man 2, Captain America, Wolverine, etc.) but only counted 616 versions of characters (Titanium Man, Crossbones, etc), and only unique characters. Jean Grey and Dark Phoenix were only counted once, as well as both versions of Black Widow (Romanova and Belova). This list also accounts for announced but unreleased figures. I total 135 unique Marvel Universe characters. Absorbing Man Adam Warlock AIM Soldier Ant-Man Apocalypse Archangel Beast Beta Ray Bill Black Panther Black Widow Blade Blob Bucky Bulldozer Bullseye Cable Captain America Captain Britain Captain Marvel Carnage Colossus Constrictor Crimson Dynamo Crossbones Cyclops Daken Daredevil Darkhawk Deadpool Doc Ock Doc Samson Doctor Strange Dr. Doom Drax Electro Enchantress Falcon Fin Fang Foom Firestar Galactus Gambit Ghost Rider Gladiator Goliath Green Goblin Groot Guardian Guardsman H.E.R.B.I.E. Hand Ninja Havok Hawkeye Hercules Hobgoblin Hulk Human Torch Hydra Soldier Iceman Invisible Woman Iron Fist Iron Man Iron Monger Jean Grey Jubilee Juggernaut Kang Kitty Pryde Klaw Kraven Lizard Loki Luke Cage Magneto Mandarin Mary Jane Watson Maverick Moon Knight Mr Fantastic Mr Sinister Ms Marvel Multiple Man Mystique Nick Fury Nightcrawler Nighthawk Nova Patriot Piledriver Psylocke Puck Punisher Quicksilver Red Hulk Red Skull Rhino Rocket Raccoon Ronin Sabertooth Savage Frost Giant Scarlet Witch Scorpion Sentinel Sentry She-Hulk SHIELD Agent Silver Samurai Silver Surfer Skaar Skrull Soldier Spider-Man Spider-Woman Star Lord Storm Sub-Mariner Sunfire Taskmaster Thanos Thing Thor Thunderball Thunderbird Titanium Man Ultron Union Jack US Agent Venom Vision War machine Warpath Whiplash Wolverine Wonder Man Wrecker X-23 Yellowjacket So, Minimates still hold the lead for unique 616 characters, but considering that Marvel Universe has only been around since 2009, that's a pretty impressive list! The only reason I can think of is that Grizzly would need a fully-sculpted, bulked-up body. But think of the tooling reuse potential: - Wendigo (Army builder!) - Sasquatch (2 versions: Orange and White!) Edited September 22, 2011 by youbastards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr baghead Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 And that second Black Cat was part of that QC train wreck set, so it seems almost wrong to count that one. "If you don't like them? That is NOT my problem. Be glad we got them at all, cause we still don't have a ton of figures.” (all joking aside, I wouldn’t mind a new a Black Cat, not in that goddawful Claws costume though, Ultimate or another stab at her normal costume would be preferred. But first I’d like Maestro, a modern Mystique, a modern Rogue, a bulky Colossus, Amazing Bag-man, and any new unmade character I don’t know I want yet but will want once I see them and think they look neat.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM2 Dinobot Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Yeah, it was more or less trivia rather than a suggestion. I stand by what I said. I've got 2 Black Cats. I can do customs till the cows come home and be happy. Give us new characters. (Thanks for the BC love though Turtle!) a mix of new versions of major characters (which people DO want, and which the line DOES need, both for sales and to match what's come since) He could just be talking about a stylistic update (i.e., more detailed tampos), but there aren't a lot of major Spidey characters that haven't been done in the "new" style. I'd guess this phrase does point to a bulked-up Rhino — a major villain who hasn't been redone recently. Otherwise, a Kraven with a sculpted lion vest would be nice. This again begs the question I asked a while back. What if you like the simplistic design of the first 20 waves? Are you just out of luck because they're going to keep giving us uber-detailed? I wish DST would address these concerns. I think there should be some middle ground between the first Cable and the 2nd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fwoosheyman Posted September 22, 2011 Author Share Posted September 22, 2011 This again begs the question I asked a while back. What if you like the simplistic design of the first 20 waves? Are you just out of luck because they're going to keep giving us uber-detailed? I wish DST would address these concerns. I think there should be some middle ground between the first Cable and the 2nd. I believe you are out of luck if you prefer the simplistic designs. It's been uber detail and lots of sculpted parts for awhile. I wouldn't mind a redone Rhino in this wave. The old one is very dated looking and Rhino seems to be a good selling toy, no matter which format (ML, MU, etc) he is in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stack32 Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 I think 20+ waves of uber-detail, the fact that it gives DST a good reason to revisit popular characters, and the general success of the Minimate brand in its current form strongly suggest DST isn't going back to more simplistic designs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirymate Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 all-new characters -- some of which people have asked for, and some of which you would have never thought you'd see. Has anyone else been puzzeling over that last part? Who is it we'd never thought we'd see? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valo487 Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 I have. I'm hoping it means characters that have been on the black list at Marvel, like The Jackal and Kaine. They've been seldom seen or heard from since the Clone Saga. I'd totally buy a Clone Saga wave though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM2 Dinobot Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 Shana the She Devil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirymate Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 I have. I'm hoping it means characters that have been on the black list at Marvel, like The Jackal and Kaine. They've been seldom seen or heard from since the Clone Saga. I'd totally buy a Clone Saga wave though. Ironically, both are featured in Spider-Island. Kaine's been mutated into a Man-Spider, and taken the name Tarantula. Jackal's back to wearing the big eared outfit. Spidercide's back too, called Spider-King. (hasn't been specifically stated, but that's my theory) Maybe Marvel has realised trying to pretend that several year long story arc and those related characters never existed was as big a mistake as trying to say Peter was the clone in the first place. But yes, I'd totally buy both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nessex Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 all-new characters -- some of which people have asked for, and some of which you would have never thought you'd see. Has anyone else been puzzeling over that last part? Who is it we'd never thought we'd see? I'm torn between it possibly meaning characters that are too obscure, characters whose tooling would be too difficult and characters we've begged for but given up hope of seeing. Obscure characters could be any number of characters outside of the Big 7 who have not yet been made and don't seem to have much mass market appeal: Dazzler, Living Laser, Attuma, Unus The Untouchable etc... Tooling Nightmares could cover any number of characters who's bodies don't conform to the standard humanoid block figure base: Dire Wraith's, Mojo, Shuma Gorath, Martha Johansson, etc... Characters we've hounded DST for with no results: Toad comes to mind . . . or, oh i don't know, maybe KANG???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valo487 Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 I still can't believe we may never see a Winter Soldier 'mate. That really sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onyx_6 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Spider-man related that we would never see? What about Madame Web with her big ol' chair? That would be cool and her name has yet to appear in this thread.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke314pi Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 I think I mentioned this in another thread, but I am guessing the wave is based on The Deadly Foes of Spider-Man, which featured the Sinister Syndicate. The group included The Beetle, Boomerang, Hydro-Man, Rhino, Speed Demon, and Shocker. The minimate "we never thought we'd get" could refer to Speed Demon. Since a wave can only hold so many figures, I would bet that only Beetle, Boomerang, Rhino (bulked up), and Speed Demon (as the variant) make the cut, along with the required Spidey figures. A SHIELD agent is featured in the series, so my money is on classic SHIELD army builders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobsterman Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 That would be an awesome series. I would love a classic Beetle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj87 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 a couple of new Spidey villains and SHIELD army builder.... ohhhh yesh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirymate Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Sooo... Bullet Proof Spider-Man / Speed Demon, Boomerang / Big-Rhino, Beetle / 616 SHIELD, FA Beetle or Mk III Beetle / 616 SHIELD variant? Or Boomerang / Beetle, Rhino / SHIELD, Ult. Rhino / SHIELD? And maybe Morbius with Miles? (an ebony and ivory kinda thing) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storm 1:08 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Sooo... Bullet Proof Spider-Man / Speed Demon, Boomerang / Big-Rhino, Beetle / 616 SHIELD, FA Beetle or Mk III Beetle / 616 SHIELD variant? Or Boomerang / Beetle, Rhino / SHIELD, Ult. Rhino / SHIELD? Shouldn't there be one more hero/Spidey variant in there that replaces Boomerang or Speed Demon? Seems too villain heavy, not that I'm complaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valo487 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 If Lukes right.....that would be awesome!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke314pi Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Sooo... Bullet Proof Spider-Man / Speed Demon, Boomerang / Big-Rhino, Beetle / 616 SHIELD, FA Beetle or Mk III Beetle / 616 SHIELD variant? Or Boomerang / Beetle, Rhino / SHIELD, Ult. Rhino / SHIELD? Shouldn't there be one more hero/Spidey variant in there that replaces Boomerang or Speed Demon? Seems too villain heavy, not that I'm complaining. Yeah, based on Miry's list I would be inclined to guess something like: Bullet Proof Spider-Man / Boomerang , Web Trap Spider-Man (some new base that is actually cool, like Reed's stretch attack base)/ Big-Rhino, Beetle / 616 SHIELD, Speed Demon / 616 SHIELD as variant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM2 Dinobot Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Like I said, whatever it is, I'll get it. It's a Spidey wave. If it's all repacks, I'll still get it, and be happy about it. I'm worse than Chuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valo487 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 I really hope you guys are right, I'm totally up for this wave. I hope the Spidey variants are more interesting, like Noir, Negative Zone, a new 2099. Although maybe Noir should wait till Hammerhead gets a 'mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirymate Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Hey, I was just goin' off your list, good sir. The main problem with your line-up, Luke, is that allegedly Boomerang to Speed Demon is out of the "stated range" they've said they're willing to go with variants. They only thing Speed Demon and Boomerang have in common is their relative obscurity... and they were on a team together, and both subcontracted with Justine Hammer... see virtually nothing in common. Well probably not enough to be each others variants. But then they've broken their own "rules" on variants before (Just ask Dinobronie) so there's nothing stopping them from doing it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobsterman Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 (edited) Have they given a concrete statement on how close variants need to be? Not trying to call you out or anything, I'm just curious. Edited September 29, 2011 by Lobsterman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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