bigvis497 Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 Marvel needed some stern editorial guiding to prevent this situation before it started. Is there a long term member of the x-men that hasn't "died" I say age them up kill them off and keep the story moving. We are on to our 4th next generation of mutants now and they still want cyclops to be 35 the time between the start of new mutants and Generation X must have been retro fitted to about 6 month by now. I don't see the age thing as a problem at all, you need to accept the sliding timescale of comics as a genre convention. I think the bigger problem is that they keep introducing new generations of mutants then after their books die off they fade into the background. Rinse and repeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mnemosis Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Prowler, your X-World idea might actually be the best way out of this mess! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prowlar Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Prowler, your X-World idea might actually be the best way out of this mess! It just seemed like the next big thing that will have "real life changing consequences" for all of the characters of the Marvel Universe. If there is a universe were nearly everybody is "better off" if the heroes correct the time-line then they will be doing what is right but maybe not what is best. The only problem is that the end of the story is set since if everything was for the best there would be no incentive to continue reading. The only other way to fix this mess is for someone to get a hold of the Infinity Gauntlet and remake the whole 616 universe from the very foundation. Of course once you start the ball rolling on a Crisis it just keeps going where every decade or so there has to be a new crisis to fix all the errors. Not that it seems to matter considering the fact that every two to three years it seems all comics have to have a reset back to issue one since no one can count higher than 100 anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigvis497 Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Marvel doesn't need a reset button. They just need better writers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcg031 Posted November 6, 2013 Author Share Posted November 6, 2013 I just hate the fact that wolverine is on 3 different teams ironman is in space and in New York. Marvel has thousands of characters, use them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emperorshotz Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 (edited) I don't see the age thing as a problem at all, you need to accept the sliding timescale of comics as a genre convention. I think the bigger problem is that they keep introducing new generations of mutants then after their books die off they fade into the background. Rinse and repeat. Agreed. PREACH, BROTHER! ACADEMY X MINIMATES FOR EVERYONE! Edited November 9, 2013 by emperorshotz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pappymojo Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Marvel needed some stern editorial guiding to prevent this situation before it started. Is there a long term member of the x-men that hasn't "died" I say age them up kill them off and keep the story moving. We are on to our 4th next generation of mutants now and they still want cyclops to be 35 the time between the start of new mutants and Generation X must have been retro fitted to about 6 month by now.I don't see the age thing as a problem at all, you need to accept the sliding timescale of comics as a genre convention. I think the bigger problem is that they keep introducing new generations of mutants then after their books die off they fade into the background. Rinse and repeat. Or they create a bad story to get rid of those secondary characters. "No more mutants." And then they create another bad story to undo the previous bad story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rad Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Time travel is nowhere near as complicated as people make it out to be. When you have inept writers like Bendis try to reinvent the rules, that's where problems start. Care to explain why the original Xmen can't return but when Raze (mystique/wolverine son) goes as cyclops there's no problem?? Because Raze isn't Cyclops. He just looked like him. Count me in the Yay camp for BOTA and Marvel Now X-Men 'mates. X faced Cyclops is a must, as are Now Magik, and Now Beast. I'd also like to see a set of the O5 in their impending suits. Don't like the suits that much, but I love the O5 and will buy as many variations of them as DST choose to make. Someone mentioned that Cyclops's team is essentially the Brotherhood, I disagree. Scott's just trying to apply Xavier's dream to their current reality. He built Utopia. The Avengers destroyed it. Governments the world over are trying to clamp down on the new wave of Mutants and Cyke is trying to protect them. The raison d'etre of the Brotherhood was always Mutant Dominion. Cyke just wants his race to live. Yeah, I'm an unabashed Cyclops fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Spot on with your assessment of Cyclops, Rad. He's still a hero and leader of true X-Men to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kostisfire Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Time travel is nowhere near as complicated as people make it out to be. When you have inept writers like Bendis try to reinvent the rules, that's where problems start. Care to explain why the original Xmen can't return but when Raze (mystique/wolverine son) goes as cyclops there's no problem?? Because Raze isn't Cyclops. He just looked like him. Count me in the Yay camp for BOTA and Marvel Now X-Men 'mates. X faced Cyclops is a must, as are Now Magik, and Now Beast. I'd also like to see a set of the O5 in their impending suits. Don't like the suits that much, but I love the O5 and will buy as many variations of them as DST choose to make. Someone mentioned that Cyclops's team is essentially the Brotherhood, I disagree. Scott's just trying to apply Xavier's dream to their current reality. He built Utopia. The Avengers destroyed it. Governments the world over are trying to clamp down on the new wave of Mutants and Cyke is trying to protect them. The raison d'etre of the Brotherhood was always Mutant Dominion. Cyke just wants his race to live. Yeah, I'm an unabashed Cyclops fan Agreed on all points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rad Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Cheers guys. Wolvie's in a place right now where everything's black and white. Cyke sees the greys. I loved the argument that Cyke and Wolverine have in BotA #2 where Cyclops says "'Professor Wolverine' Do you realise how ridiculous that sounds?" and Wolverine agrees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcg031 Posted November 10, 2013 Author Share Posted November 10, 2013 Rad, I completely agree with your opinion but Cyclops still has to answer for Prof. X murder and to me he's not educating these newer mutants they are just inexperience that may be his next victims. But this team needs to be minimates! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thereasonsy Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Rad, I completely agree with your opinion but Cyclops still has to answer for Prof. X murder and to me he's not educating these newer mutants they are just inexperience that may be his next victims. But this team needs to be minimates! I think murder is a wee harsh. Manslaughter at best. He didn't mean to kill Charles and he was under the influence of the Phoenix force. I agree about the teaching aspect though. They very rarely show it happening but it is one of those things you have to assume is happening behind the scenes. I wish there was a way to make the waves happen where one was classic and one was contemporary. Like for example, an 80's wave of Inferno and then a BOTA wave followed by another classic wave then Marvel Later (since it ain't now). WIsh the gang at DST could get more of a heads up because it would be awesome to have a set of mates during a storyline or right after similar to how DC managed to get the Blackest Night figures out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mnemosis Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Love the Cyke love and agree entirely! Consider: Wolverine led a team that killed a child. Consider: as Phoenix, Jean killed entire star systems. Consider: under Doom's influence, Wanda killed innumerable mutants. Scott's actions are NO worse than any of the others'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 I'd even go so far as to say that Cyclops' actions aren't just not any worse, but are not nearly as bad, especially as Jean's. She not only gets a free pass but has practically been exalted to sainthood after killing millions. Under the same influence, Scott killed one person while defending himself. Not even in the same ball park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zexion_Armando Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Its not murder if its self defense.Scott warned Charles several times that if he tries to shut down his mind, Cyclops will act back.you poke a bear with a stick... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valo487 Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 While I admire you gentlemen for your passion about the storyline, I don't believe for a second that Professor X is going to stay dead. He and Magneto have died more times than I can remember, I guess it was Xavier's turn this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nebraska Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Xavier will be back just in time for the premiere of DoFP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rad Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 While I admire you gentlemen for your passion about the storyline, I don't believe for a second that Professor X is going to stay dead. He and Magneto have died more times than I can remember, I guess it was Xavier's turn this year. I even remember a time when Xavier was possessed by the Phoenix force and Kitty nicknamed him 'Bald Phoenix!' He'll be back, of course he will, this is comics where not even Bucky stays dead. Cyke killing Xavier was a major shocker for me, but as others have pointed out he was acting under the influence of the Phoenix force and you know what they say about absolute power. What still hasn't really been addressed (as far as I know) is the Avengers taking any responsibility for what happened to Xavier. If the Avengers hadn't demanded that Cyclops hand over Hope (who in essence is Cyclops's grandaughter) and then attacked utopia. Then none of this would have come to pass. If Iron-Man and the Space Avengers hadn't diluted the Phoenix Force into five constituent parts then none of this would have happened. I'm glad it did happen, cos I think it's lead to some good stories and a real re-invigoration for the X-books. I think Wolverine is in a major state of denial right now. For all he lashes out at Scott at every opportunity there has to come a point where he asks himself 'If I'm right, then why is everybody joining his team?' Especially Kitty. There's also Hank McCoy's hubris to deal with. He's guilty of contributing to the screwing up the 616 timeline right now, who's going to take him to task for that? Many good reads to come, and many good minimates too (I hope). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zexion_Armando Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Emma and Scott have pointed out what the Avengers did at every chance they get, but the Avengers just ignore it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stack32 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Maybe because only crazy X-fans buy it? I'm actually really curious just how popular up-to-the-minute X-men looks would be. I'm sure they wouldn't sell as well as revisiting classic looks, but are we talking a minor drop off or a large one? I'm sure hardcore X-men fans would be interested, but where would the overall interest be compared to something like the Fantastic Four wave? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zexion_Armando Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 I don't think it would be any more than minor drop off at the worst.The current X-men have been selling pretty well, along with being top 3 pillars of Marvel's popularity (Spidey and Avengers take up the other 2) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undeadpool Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 I GUESS I can see the validity in Scotts points but I really feel ever since he took over hes sort of realized he's a nut job and hes just okay with it I could be bias though because I LOVE WATXM, and I'm very upset at Kitty for leaving (especially since it made no freaking sense) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nessex Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 I'm not really in love with any of the new costume designs. Cyclops isn't bad - but uncanny seems to have a fondness for showing off the skin. There's a lot of midriff exposed on Magik and the (formerly) Whiye Queen. Magneto (who's what - 50 now?) is going sleeveless everywhere? Not too sure about that one.... I don't mind Adjectiveless X-Men.... but then Rogue & Jubes are in garments that are pretty close to classic outfits for them. Rachel's isn't bad. Psylocke & Storms aren't terrible, but they aren't great either. Still - I'd be happy to see the whole line-up in Minimates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zexion_Armando Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 lol You don't love Magik's hotpants? And Emma wears a coat... and still shows off a ton of skin, which is silly lol. As for Magneto, some people draw him with full sleeves, some without. Its weird how inconsistent it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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