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Alright... I need someone to explain two things to me: 1) What is Spider-Armor Spider-Man? It looks like just the standard costume with a green spider for some reason, and some more stylized boots? I don't know the origin of this costume. When I hear Spider-Armor, I think of the Black/Silver costume from back around the 90s. 2) Why does Spider-Sense Spider-Man appear to have a belt, wrist-bands and boot cuffs? He's clearly not a standard Spidey... but he's close to one... I just don't understand the additional accessories? Clearly I'm not boned up on my Peter Parker costumes...

For the record, I don't count the Wasp/Ant-Man/Goliath figures as Marvel Legends, because they were re-paints/re-releases of toys from Toy-Biz's 5" Marvel line. The only reason they got slipped into the Marvel Legends brand in the first place was their larger/smaller scale masked the fact that they didn't belong with the rest of the line (while their articulation and sculpts were noticeably sub-par by legends standards). Goliath was a Giant-Man repaint. Ant-Man and Wasp were virtually identical. Was that pack-in Wasp technically re-released as a Marvel Legends figure? Yes. Was that Wasp created as a Marvel Legends figure? No. It's a semantic that can be argued to be sure... but meh. If they put a Lego Wasp into a Minimate box and called it a Minimate, I wouldn't count that as a minimate either. I think it's fair to say Wasp has 3 "Real" (6", Full-Scale, Standard) Legends Figures, as does Moon Knight.

I'm just gonna point out the fact that Collector now has an E-Ticket themepark attraction at one of the most heavily trafficked tourist destinations in America themed almost entirely around him and his collection. I won't argue that he isn't obscure... but his stock is growing... How obscure can a Marvel character really stay when there's a life-sized gold statue of them outside a building that has their name on it in the middle of Disneyland? Rode it at the grand opening 7 times btw. Great ride.

Not sure this is the right thread, but I figured no one here would begrudge me for mentioning Toysrus.com now had the SDCC Exclusive Spider-Man Homecoming two-pack available for purchase: http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=118953686&prodFindSrc=rv They also have several other exclusives. I myself also ordered the Marvel Legends set (still in-stock as of this posting.)

RE: Old-Man Logan and Spider-Barton While I'd originally have considered Old Man Logan a niche alternate reality variant with little use (like Ms. Barton)... For all intents and purposes, since his introduction to 6161, at this stage, my brain considers Wolverine and Old Man Logan two separate X-Men (because essentially, they are). It's not like he's the first Alternate Reality/Future transplant. We've had characters like Bishop, Longshot and Rachel Grey running around for decades, and none of them originally calls 616 home. He's not even the first duplicate... as we have characters like Dark Beast, AoA Nightcrawler joining X-Force, and the young transplant versions of the original 5 X-Men. SO at this point... I rationalize him has a completely unique character who I no longer mentally tie to 616 Logan. And were I to display the X-Men... I would include both Yellow Costume "Wolverine" and "Old Man Logan" ... that said, we have a few Old Man Logan's already, so did I NEED this one? No. I could have lived with one of the others. But whatever. It's a Wolverine. I've collected Minimates for years. I get it. Spider-Barton... ehhhhhh... little less useful to me. She still is a very nichey alternate reality variant for most intents and purposes. HOWEVER... Spider-verse has kind of opened up my mind to a little more flexibility on any and all alt. reality Spider characters (Or kooky Spider-Man variants like you might find in the Walgreens waves)... Do they have much use in a "Classic" 616 Display? Most of them... no. But they're kind of their own display at this point. Much like an Iron Man "Hall of Armor" you can kind of lump them all together into something unique and cool... SO I dunno. I don't display my minimates anyway, so I don't know why this should matter to me. But I do sort them... so like... maybe I'm mentally prepping for the idea I could display them someday? lol...

... I can't help but notice this wave is 4 variants of established bestsellers paired with 4 brand new unmade characters. Is that the 15th anniversary theme? Pairing greatest hits with new debuts?

Honest to god, I genuinely thought that Abomination was "Ultimate" Green Goblin until I read otherwise. Doesn't capture the likeness well imo. I'm usually okay with using animated mates as stand-ins for comic ones, but this one doesn't work imo. REALLY hope he doesn't hurt our chances of getting a comic update down the road.

@ Mnemosis No, I haven't read either. Though X-Cutioner's Song was another one I was eyeballing. I tried reading it as a kid (in its original multi-issue comic form) but it was admittedly over my head for my age at the time, so I didn't ever fully dive into it. And then the issues got destroyed somewhere along the line, as all childhood comic books do, haha... RE: Marvel Unlimited I was hesitant as heck to sign up for it beforehand, because A. You're paying money and ultimately own nothing. When the subscription ends, you have nothing to show for it but memories. B. I couldn't see the catalog before I signed up, so I was worried I'd pay for it, then find nothing worthwhile to read. BUT... I pulled the trigger. I figured if I can pay a monthly fee for Netflix and enjoy it, why can't I do the same for comics right? Did so. Loved it. Haven't regretted it since. Both my fears were quickly put to bed after I actually signed up. Sure I'll ultimately own nothing, but it's a WAY more convenient way to read comics and old stories than chasing issues or trades down 1 by 1. I'm getting through actual stories much more quickly, and much more easily than I ever did reading paper comics (hauling around stacks and stacks... and paying as much in a single week as I do for a whole year of Unlimited). Just like Netflix is way easier than popping in a DVD or renting a redbox movie. As for the catalog, it was more than fine. That fear was completely unfounded. I don't think I had trouble finding a single comic I wanted to read until about my third year of subscription, haha. Absolutely everything I wanted to read was available for about the first 2 1/2 years. Then one day there was some obscure... limited... one-shot tie-in to an event I wanted to read (I don't even remember what it was, maybe an Old Man Logan tie-in?) which wasn't available. That's the single time that's ever happened, in my entire 3ish years since I signed up, haha. Anything mainstream, anything big ticket, anything you've ever heard of basically, is on there. And PLENTY of smaller stuff too. Just because that one one-shot wasn't there doesn't mean there aren't hundreds of other limiteds and one-shorts available. Except for the newest books from the past 6 months or so, virtually the entire Marvel Catalogue is out there. But I'm not caught up with present day comics anyway, so that's never been an issue for me. I just read a few years behind the curve and it suits me fine. I like it better that way frankly, because there's no gut-busting cliffhangers, you can start and end a story on the spot if you find it engaging.

Regarding the mystery Spidey Villain... I feel like Jackal is the biggest name on the list... but Prowler was kind of loosely adapted, almost, not really, sort-of, kind-of for Spider-Man Homecoming (in a blink and you'll miss it Easter Egg sort of way)... So that makes me feel like his chances might be slightly better at this particular moment in time. This would undoubtedly be a situation where a comic book tie-in Prowler would be more preferable to a movie version as the movie version looked nothing like Prowler. (And things like that haven't been unheard of in the past for minimates. That's currently hotly rumored to be almost the same case for Surtur in several speculative threads, haha) Movie "Prowler" was more or less just a civilian. Then again, could be someone else. Who knows? Just musing.

I've never been too hung up on old comics vs. new comics... I like X-Men. I read indiscriminately, regardless of era, and judge the stories as I like/hate them individually. I read the first couple years. Your Blob and Unus and Vanisher type encounters. I've read classic stuff like Giant-Sized... Phoenix, Dark Phoenix, Proteus... some newer classics like Age of Apocalypse or Phalanx Covenant. But I've read many modern X-Men stories too. One run that stands out to me as one that I hated was Grant Morrison's New X-Men. For all his rockstar accolades... I found most of it boring, and when it wasn't boring, it still annoyed me. A bit pretentious. I initially hated the Scott/Emma/Jean love triangle... because it was messing with a classic Marvel couple. But I've gotten used to Scott & Emma in the years since. It's easier to swallow with Jean dead than it was when she was in the picture. Hated John Sublime. Hated Here comes Tomorrow. Hated Fantomex (he's grown on me through other writers, at the time he just felt like Morrison was trying too hard to make him cool). Hated Angel (the bug girl) she was one of the most obnoxious characters ever created. Loved Xorn... which was the cruel Irony, because he wasn't real. Initially liked the reveal he was Magneto just because it genuinely shocked me at the time, but hated the way he subsequently butchered Magneto. Hated the mess Marvel made of cleaning it up (admittedly not all his fault, but still). The mess that is Xorn still sticks in my craw. They've never adequately explained him, just given several inadequate half-explanations. ANYWAY... the whole run felt like he was just coming in and trying to shake things up, and screw any established X-Men norms, and then he left the book in a shambles that other writers cleaned up poorly. I loved Casey's concurrent run on Uncanny. No heavy shakeups... That just felt like the Kurt, Warren & Bobby I loved, having interesting adventures... breaking Chamber into the main team... and frankly I liked Stacy-X under him, when she was a serious character. Then Austin took over and she got more annoying. His run I was love hate with. I hated that he made Lorna a raving crazy ex-girlfriend. I hated Azazel. I loved what he did with Juggernaut though... his Juggernaut hero/redemption stories were some of my favorites for the character, and why I continue to resist him as a villain to this day, lol. But I'm off on a tangent... I love all comics. I regret reading none of them. There are ups and downs. But I still love seeing the soap opera of my favorite mutants continue to unfold. I will say I often find old comics far too wordy. You get pages full of those large square bubbles of exposition that take an hour to read. Then again, the opposite problem is often no better... you sometimes get a modern comic you finish in 2 minutes flat because it's 7 word bubbles dispersed amongst wall to wall action panels (and if the art sucks you can't even follow those action panels). There's a give and take, haha. This post has kind of inspired me to dig into Marvel Unlimited and find something old I haven't read. I never read Mutant Massacre... maybe I'll give that a whirl tonight.

Alright I'm not gonna lie... while I consider myself the biggest X-Men fan amongst my friends and peers, and a huge one overall... and while I love the idea of getting that whole card set as minimates on paper... in theory... once you broke down the list character by character... I admittedly saw a lot of yawners in there that made me re-think the idea, lol. I'll take guys like Sauron, Shadow King, Strong Guy or Black Tom any day of the week. Lockheed, Fitzroy, Caliban, Maverick, Lilandra. There's a few good names in there to be sure, easily deserving of minimates. But there's also a lot of lame characters who came and went in those 90s X-Men years that I never need to see again. And I realize that now that I see them on paper, lol. While I'd ultimately never say no to a new minimate... there are admittedly more modern X-Men characters I'd prefer to get WAAAAAAY before Mojo II, Siena Blaze, Hazard, Six Pack or the Mutant Liberation Front. Controversial opinion, but I don't even have much use for the acolytes past Cortez and Exodus. If I got 75% of the people on that list before Marrow or Pixie... I'd cry.

I could have sworn I remembered reading at some point that they couldn't even use Celestials in the MCU because of their ties to Apocalypse putting them under Fox's X-Men license. But if Ego is clearly one in Guardians 2, that memory is probably wrong. Then again they couldn't use Ego in the first place either, they only got the ability to use him in trade for letting Fox modify Negasonic Teenage Warhead and give her Cannonball's powers. So maybe they picked up Celestials in that deal along with Ego? Then again, maybe I've got the whole thing backwards and it was perhaps Fox who couldn't use Celestials in X-Men Apocalypse because the MCU held the rights to them? That seems plausible too. Point is, movie rights are confusing, and I still hate them.

I misread this as Hogun... and briefly thought for a fleeting moment that Thor: Ragnarok lineup/concepts might have been released, and we were finally confirmed to be getting a Hogun and Fandral (for the third time). Then I realized it was Hogan, and got sad again.

Giant-Size X-Men #1 wasn't my first comic book by a long shot... but I consider it my first REAL comic book... and the one that put me on the X-Men path. My dad owned a pet store around the corner from a comic book shop when I was a kid, so I spent a lot of time going to said comic shop, but I was very young, so I mostly just read TV Adaptations. Very early 90s things like Sonic the Hedgehog, The Simpsons, Beavis and Butt-Head and X-Men Adventures (which was the comic adaptation of the 90s animated series)... any time I tried to read a "Real" X-Men comic (right around the Jim Lee Era), the more serious and continuity-riddled tone and story largely flew over my head and I lost interest. I loved the X-Men Cartoon, but struggled with the comics at that age. One day I found re-prints of X-Men #1 and Giant-Size X-Men #1 in the quarter bin. I didn't realize re-prints were worthless as a child, so I thought it was a real amazing find, lol. I fell in love with Giant-Size X-Men #1. So many pages. So many mutants. Some familiar, some brand new to me. Even if I wasn't reading a ton of X-Men, I loved the characters, collected the toys and trading cards, watched the cartoon, and learned all I could about these mutants. I bought a lot of old books out of those quarter bins. Old books were easier to understand at the time. Plots were simpler 40-50 years ago. Thing and Bill Foster went to a carnival with their girlfriends and bad guys attacked, so they beat them up. Simple. Some burglar stole a kid's Hostess Fruit Pie, so Spider-Man beat him up. Simple. lol Then later in the 90s, after the Jim Lee Era, I had finally aged enough that I could dig into X-Men proper and understand it. Which is why I want a Marrow minimate so danged much. I think the first issue I dove into in the "Modern" Era (of the time) was X-Men #70. Two guesses why it jumped out at me... More or less kept reading from there until I ran out of money in college and could no longer keep up weekly... haha. I'm now an adult, with a fancy paycheck, but remain a few years behind present day. Trying to catch up through Marvel Unlimited. Slow going.

I agree, Selene doesn't NEED a re-release. But by the same token, I understand the merits of releasing them all at once. If you don't have the original one, I could see where you might be cheesed off if they now released the whole club minus her, and you couldn't get your hands on her. But I don't think the Hellfire Club is a roster that's ever going to be released all at once, so kind-of a moot argument. I feel like MOST of them could squeeze by as one-offs. As most X-Villains seem to. An update for Emma strikes me as a matter of when, not if. Shaw has been a prominent enough villain through the years to get thrown into a random 2-Pack in an X-Men Wave one day. Pierce too, he's always coming back leading Reavers or some random band of mutant killers, and was even the main villain in the Logan movie earlier this year (a subtle nod that zoomed right past most Non X-Men Geeks). Wyngarde and Leiland are trickier. Their best chance seems like a variant or a head swap... but their costumes are so garrish, who could they swap with but eachother or Shaw and Pierce? And even then, the color pallets are a problem... they'd basically need entirely new upper jacket torsos and heads at minimum... they could probably use the same torso block as an undershirt, but the jacket and head would need to change. Leiland's belly could be built into his jacket like say blob or doc ock minimates in the past. He doesn't need to be a bulked up figure, he's not that huge. The only thing I could see working on all 4 of them is the legs, if they were done in black pants, which isn't even entirely accurate, since they had colored pants during the Dark Phoenix Saga... but I could live with black if that if it got them made... But, say the planets align and they did get a whole wave... if one of them needed to be cut, Selene would be the first I'd cut. We already got a perfectly fine Selene, and she doesn't fit into the Dark Phoenix Saga anyway. I understand people's desire to get them all at once, but it's only logical to eliminate the one I already have, if one needs to be eliminated. Because let's face it, this wave would never make it to production without a Wolverine and a Jean or two in it, at minimum.

Alright... Now that Toad is confirmed, I need a new dream, so I decided to come here and make one... I know this one is a longshot, but here's a perfect wave for me - Late 90's "Goodbye Jim-Lee, Hello Joe Madureira" Era X-Men. While this isn't a super-iconic era... Diamond does seem to love giving us entire waves of themed X-Men these days, and you can more than fill one: "Feral" Wolverine (the Blue Bandana One) & Marrow Purple Costume Storm & Maggott Blue/Yellow Uniform Cannonball & Cecelia Reyes Purple Space Rogue & Joseph (Feel free to pretend he's Magneto to make him more saleable) Bastion & Prime Sentinel Feel free to shuffle characters around as you see fit Zach and the other Diamond decision makers, if you see a more logical lineup. Per norm: One set would be a Toys R Us Exclusive. 2 would be Specialty Exclusive. Characters like Marrow and Maggot obviously specialty. Characters like Wolverine, Storm & Not-Magneto both. Cecelia & Joseph could also both potentially be done as head-swaps for more popular blue & yellow uniformed X-Men (Though we admittedly have quite many of those already). Kitty? Another Wolverine? I dunno, I'm not picky on the mainstream heads, care more about the secondary ones (which Cecelia would undoubtedly be if she was an alt head). There's also male/female/alternate hairpiece prime sentinel variation potential, but... one step at a time. I just want this era. I fell in love with the X-Men in the early 90s through the cartoon, but was too young to read the comics at the time. Merely a lad. They flew over my head. It wasn't until the late 90s when I hit my teens and could actually understand them that I fell in love with comics, which was right around this time. Plus it introduced FOUR new X-Men, none of who have minimates yet... and Marrow is one of my all-time personal favorite characters I've been harping for on-and-off for years. Expect me to request her more now that Toad is coming.

I'd just like to point out the fact that I'm the guy who had the Toad signature for like 5 years, and I couldn't give a crap that he doesn't come with a crouching leg piece. Would it have been a neat new niche piece? Sure! Did I expect one? No! Before this thread the thought never even crossed my mind. All I ever expect is a basic minimate body, some decals and maybe a hairpiece given the character. Any other bits and bobs that come on top of that are a bonus. Remember when every minimate was a basic body with maybe a belt, hairpiece and weapon? Remember when Chuck used to STRIVE to keep minimates as basic as possible? Sure, we've gotten some crazy crap added to these figures over the years. Just the other day I added a Man-thing and a Mojo to my collection. But lets not lose perspective here. We're having a hissy fit over whether or not a figure comes with a one-off set of non-poseable niche legs that only apply to THAT character (and maybe 1 or 2 others, assuming the sculpt was generic enough) in a non-play display-only context. I mean COME ON people! ANYWAY... Beyond that mini-rant... I saw a lot of people saying Xavier that turns into Changeling last week and admittedly never believed it. I understood the reasoning behind it... but the two characters don't have a very strong resemblance. Changeling wore a blinged-out baby blue and purple jumpsuit with the stupidest headpiece ever. Xavier wears suits in dull neutral colors. I'm not saying it would be impossible to make the leap, but you'd need to put Xavier in a pastel blue suit at the very least... which... seemed unlikely. Add to that you'd have to add all kinds of gloves and straps and purple accesories, to get him to Changeling and... it always seemed like a stretch. Though I admittedly never even considered Xavier to Mastermind. Personally I'd prefer Changeling, as I always enjoy getting new X-Men. But new X-Men villains are a close second. Quicksilver is the yawner for me on this one. Never really been much for the classic brotherhood personally. Prefer the freedom force era version. Blue Quicksilver does just fine for me. BUT... whatever, I'll take him. Would have preferred Changeling or Mimic, but I'll take him. A must-buy set all around for me. But that should be obvious. My only question at this point is do I get one, and just change Xavier into Mastermind permanently, or get 2, so I can have both at the same time.

Checked 2 Walgreens in the area yesterday (Also Chicago suburbs for what it's worth. I have no idea what shops Menagerie or Tenime check... but I know there's at least some potential overlap, as me and Tenime have reported on the same Toys R Uses a time or two in the past, haha. Walgreens are more plentiful though, so there's more of them to share I'd guess.) ANYWAY... First one (Elk Grove) was a no-go. Only 2 old Series 2 sets keeping the shelf warm. Second one (Northlake) found the whole set. Hooray! What I like about these Walgreens waves is they're often very hit or miss. They seemingly ship in a box of 4, 1 each, so any collector who finds them just buys all four or leaves all four. You often either find the whole set or you don't, haha. (Except every now and then little Billy will just buy 1 of the 4 and screw it all up! ...Kidding) Gotta say, after looking at Kamala and Leader up close... I don't know what people are complaining about. They're two of the least "animated looking" animated mates I've ever seen. I'm happy to have the Kamala. I have the old Leader, but this one is replacing him. Some of the more distinctly animated designs... like Carnage for instance, could never pass as comic book minimates. But I can't imagine these ones won't blend in perfectly fine. I am however mildly upset that Bruce's Hulkbuster Helmet doesn't sit properly flush with his torso when closed. Mine is like... permanently cockeyed/warped. It looks unfavorable.

The biggest recurring quality control problem I saw was on "Bulked up" figures (your Hulks and Juggernauts and Hulks and Venoms and Hulks)... oftentimes the upper-leg/thigh covering pieces were wrong. You'd get 2 lefts, or 2 rights. The difference is small and easy to miss, but there ARE distinct covers for the left and right leg, and apparently whoever assembled them at the factory often didn't take notice. But this has gotten better in recent years. This also occasionally extends to Bulked up hands (Often they're identical so it's a non-issue, but sometimes they're different, and I've gotten 2 rights or 2 lefts) Come to think of it I've gotten more than my share of left/right arm swaps on minimates to. So to put a blanket on it, I guess my biggest QC problem through the years is the factory not knowing their right from their left. THAT said... we're talking like... 1 in every 50 to 100 minimates (if not less) so I never considered it a deal breaker. The bulked up leg one was frustrating though. That one seemed to happen to EVERY bulked up figure I bought, for a year or two. And the worst part was, even contacting Diamond for replacement parts, I sometimes got the wrong part, because the difference is so subtle, Diamond's customer service rep couldn't note it either. (But they're different, I swear)

I really don't care who the other figures are, If we don't get Fandrall & Hogun in this wave, there will be no end to the depths that my saltiness reaches. Cancelling them in the first movie wave sucked, but it was what it was. Announcing the mistake would be rectified in the second movie wave, only to then cancel them again, was one of my most un-fond memories in 10+ years collecting this line. I can't even put into words what an unhappy collector I'll be if they get slighted again. It's being 2/3 of a trio that makes them such a sore spot... it's not like an Iron Man 2 situation, where we didn't get final battle Whiplash... but we still got most of the characters (including early movie Whiplash) so it was easy to move on. Having 1 of 3 Warriors 3, after being teased with them twice no less... just sticks in my craw SO BAD.

I was shocked to find Series 3 & 4 within a week of eachother the last... well week or two. I found/bought out an entire Wave 3 at my local Walgreens (first time finding it in the wild), then I'm pretty sure they immediately restocked it with Wave 4 the following week. Which I also bought out. Never gotten two consecutive full waves so quickly without ordering them online. The only slight peeve of the whole situation is Wave 2.5 seems to have passed over my area entirely. Never saw a single one. Lingering packs from Wave 2 warmed shelves for months at every local Walgreens, until Suddenly 3 & 4 appeared. The kicker is, the Wave 2 packs are still there warming. 3 & 4 stocking seems to have sidestepped 2. Wheras 2.5 never came because 2 never sold out. (Which makes a certain degree of sense, but is still irksome) So I guess now I have to track down 2.5 on ebay. :/ PS. I just want to say, I'm loving the effort Walgreens is putting into lineups for these waves. They really seem to be trying to cater to us as collectors, in addition to releasing the mandatory Spideys, Hulks & Iron Men. Beyond even letting us choose Man-Thing & Squirrel Girl... they're working in some really obscure unreleased characters in these waves and I love it. If only they could do Comic Book waves in addition to Animated, I'd be in Heaven. As a fan of the cancelled book Exiles, I'm super happy to have Hyperion & Power Princess. (Even if I don't yet have Power Princess... grr... 2.5, lol)

I seem to be in a minority in that I'm not all that interested in a Stan Lee minimate. (Or Stan the Janitor, or the Mayor of Super Hero City from Super Hero Squad, or any of his various cameos from any movies)... I love the man for his contributions to the world, but I'd always prefer more canon Marvel characters. I realize he has a weird cameo here and there that could be called quasi-canon, but... we all know it's just a creator cameo in disguise. I don't really like these odd outlier figures that lines sometimes do, that don't seem to fit well and/or realistically amongst the rest of the line (I'm looking at you generic Fire Chief from the Spidey Two-Pack). If you asked me to pick 2 of the 3, and the choices were Stan, Man-Thing & Squirrel Girl, I'd pick Man-Thing and Squirrel Girl. I'd even pick fairly new looks for characters we already have. The only way I could see myself choosing Stan over actual Marvel characters is if like... the other two choices were a new, yet only marginally different Spider-Man and Iron Man.

Jubilee was named on-screen. Storm calls out to her at some point during X-2 (I believe when the young mutants are being rescued from Stryker's facility. Psylocke wasn't, and frankly I'm a little more accepting of her for that reason (because the X3 Psylocke sucked). But Jubilee, while minor, was specifically pointed out. It irks me that people like to give a lot of crap to X-Men Origins for such inconsistencies and mistreated characters, when the quote unquote "good" X-Men movies are frankly, just as guilty of such problems. First Class butchered just as many characters as Origins did say Deadpool. Frankly the entire Xavier, Mystique & Magneto triangle that the two movies hinge on is entirely non-existent in the source material, which as a hardcore X-Geek, bugs me just as much as a mistreated Gambit. I'll grant you, First Class felt like a much better -movie- than Origins, but as an adaptation it's just as bad, if not worse. It's X-Men in name and basic premise only. This entire franchise just screams of... pulling a bunch of familiar characters and basic premises out of a hat randomly, and continuing to make *one more movie* out of them so that they can make some more money and keep the rights. And each time there's less and less stuff in the hat to be pulled, so they've started throwing some names back in, even though they've been used up already... cheating and hoping we don't notice. And what's worse is no, I don't think they were originally planning a well-thought out and intricate franchise in the same way Marvel did with their cinematic universe, clearly... the problem is now they're trying to make it SEEM like they were to compete with Marvel's cinematic universe. They're trying to patch together a mess to make it look like there's as much world crafting going on in the X-Men franchise as there is in the MCU, the problem is the patchwork doesn't hold up nearly as well when you examine the stitches. I don't even know why they bothered striking Origins from the continuity, half the world doesn't even realize they did, and it's not like it fits any worse than most other examples in the franchise. I was happy that DOFP looked like it was trying to at least set things back on track... fix some of what was broken about the franchise on the whole... but it seems like Apocalypse is just undoing everything positive I had to say about DOFP, so I'm just pissed about it, lol. What blows is this franchise really COULD rival the MCU. The X-Men have enough characters, enough splinter teams, side stories, villains, and just main members that they COULD make several different movies, seperate but interwoven, that could be just as expansive and awesome as the MCU. But they're trying to piece it together too late in the game, and building on a rocky foundation. I know I, and several others out there wish that if they aren't letting go of the rights (and why would they?) That they'd at least do a hard reboot and... take some cues from the MCU at crafting a cohesive franchise.

Ok first off this is a different continuity than the original 3 X Movies. Basically they didn't happen. So we have to kind of forget the rest of things similar to the Star Trek movies. I hope they do a basic uniform for a guy and a girl and then give us multiple heads. Below is quoted from an e-mail I wrote to my best friend griping and complaining about this movie: (Please note, no insults are directed or aimed at you specifically, I wrote this over a week ago, before you even made your post, I'm just copy/pasting it because it illustrates my feelings on this matter.) Jubilee and Psylocke (AND possibly Angel, AND possibly other characters) appearing the same age or older in the 80s than they are in the present day previous X-Men movies they already appeared in, makes no damn sense, whether the past has been altered or not. I will not accept "Altering the past in DOFP forced their parents to bang and conceive them 30 years earlier, for unexplained reasons" as a plausible explanation. The parents are theoretically 30 years younger too. Would Jubilee's parents even be of banging age? Frankly, for the age they are in Apocalypse, wouldn't their parents have to have conceived and birthed them BEFORE DOFP? I mean they're all fairly grown young adults in Apocalypse? How many years before Apocalypse does DOFP take place? Quicksilver, Magneto, Mystique, Beast and Xavier all look exactly the same, so it can't be many. For as little sense as it makes assuming their alternate birth is a result of the altered timeline, it makes ZERO sense for these characters to have been conceived BEFORE DOFP, because up to DOFP, the past should have been unaltered. These characters would NOT have been born already before Wolverine mucked with things. There's a completely alternate reality, where anything goes, and then there's altering the past of a reality that already exists. This is the latter, not the former. It shouldn't be SO drastically different that characters are born three whole decades earlier. I could accept that certain events change, but that several characters parents would conceive them WELL before they should have been conceived, "Because reasons!" is not plausible, and poorly told. Even if DOFP did muck with the past. PS. And I can't wait to see what kind of plot holes that new Colossus in Deadpool who seems to look completely different, and be of a different age at a different time than Cudmore's Colossus creates. (Though he does already look 10x better than Cudmore's Colossus, I admit).

Yeah! I buy anything with a Marvel logo on it, I just prefer comic stuff to movie stuff! *Shakes fist* I was happy to get that set though, Mystique was at the top of my list for characters in need of a re-do for years. I was so pleased to get her I didn't even really care or notice that the other three sucked. I can see it now, when I look back in hindsight objectively... but truthfully, my reaction to the set was, "OH THANK GOD FINALLY NEW MYSTIQUE! WOOHOO!"