Lostkhance Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 When I first heard about the about the Zombie 2 pack with Giant Man and Daredevil, I was psyched. With DC starting to us the larger original sized scale for some of their bulkier characters ( i.e. Killer Croc, Brainiac, Ares, etc.), I was hoping we'd get a larger scaled Giant Man. No such luck. I was wondering if there was any official reason why that didn't happen. Conversely I noticed that DC doesn't have any "Powerhouse" figures ( i.e. Powerhouse Thing, Powerhouse Venom, Powerhouse Sandman, etc.). Powergirl does have the chest expansion but not a "Powerhouse" by name. Now with Apocalypse on the way and still set on the smaller scale of mates it's a little disappointing. I'm curious if there's any legal reason/official statement as to why no cross over on these stylistic variations. I understand the matter of the C3 constructible playsets but this seems different. Then again it might just be that Art Asylum has a specific size license. So please if anyone has a definitive answer please let me know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBT! Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 When I first heard about the about the Zombie 2 pack with Giant Man and Daredevil, I was psyched. With DC starting to us the larger original sized scale for some of their bulkier characters ( i.e. Killer Croc, Brainiac, Ares, etc.), I was hoping we'd get a larger scaled Giant Man. No such luck. I was wondering if there was any official reason why that didn't happen. Conversely I noticed that DC doesn't have any "Powerhouse" figures ( i.e. Powerhouse Thing, Powerhouse Venom, Powerhouse Sandman, etc.). Powergirl does have the chest expansion but not a "Powerhouse" by name. Now with Apocalypse on the way and still set on the smaller scale of mates it's a little disappointing. I'm curious if there's any legal reason/official statement as to why no cross over on these stylistic variations. I understand the matter of the C3 constructible playsets but this seems different. Then again it might just be that Art Asylum has a specific size license. So please if anyone has a definitive answer please let me know. It's a License thing, the license with marvel specifies that DST can only do 2" Marvel Mates ( another quirks is they cant call them action figures). The big chest thing is DST's way of bulking up the same heighted figures to make them look 'bigger'. DCD on the other as they own the licenses can pretty much do as they please, hence the bigger figures. It's a pretty well documented fact if you want to delve deeper then probably the best place to start is the Q&A threads there's a Ton of semi usefull info there. T. p.s. welcome to the boards... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnim zola Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 The license says they cant sell 2 inch mates, but has it ever been asked if they could do a promo mate of a bigger size? like giant man? I remember at one point they got away with something they were not supposed to do by making it a giveaway. Whats the stance on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBT! Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 The license says they cant sell 2 inch mates, but has it ever been asked if they could do a promo mate of a bigger size? like giant man? I remember at one point they got away with something they were not supposed to do by making it a giveaway. Whats the stance on this? The answer is nope they are very much tied to the 2" scale, givaways get around some of the rules but at the end of the day they have to get marvel to say yes... and they dont say yes because they dont want to piss off the people who hold the other licenses. T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
link 46 Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 curse you marvel curse you!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evenflow Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 I have always known about the legal issues with height, same thing revolves around the goblin glider or ghost riders bike. I never knew why though? Is it because marvel gave Medicom the right to do 3 inch? Did it have to do with Marvel Legends? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drgnrbrn316 Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 A specific example of the giveaway loop hole not working is the Ultimate Avengers 2 DVD at TRU and K-Mart. DST wanted to do an Ultimate Giant-Man to go with the DVD as a promotional figure, but Marvel nixed the idea. As far as why the size restriction, it wouldn't surprise me if Kubricks or more recently the Super Hero Squad isn't at least partly to blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Vox Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 At SDCC I asked Chuck about the Goblin Glider and he said they had created one and tried to get it approved and received a NO. He was pretty short and to the point, and I think that is how the license is.. pretty precise and to the point with very little room (or none at all) for negotiation. I felt a bit silly asking as I guess it was common knowledge for most people there but I always had wondered about whether there was a size issue that allowed Silver Surfer to have his board and Movie Goblin to have his glider.. and the response was, "we tried and they said no" followed by "we also try and find a balance so we are not packaging a huge chunk of plastic in with the figures..". Obviously these licensing contracts are pretty precise and fickle. When you think of ALL of the companies producing things that use the likeness of Marvel Characters there are bound to be companies paying big money for exclusivity on a certain size and type of figure to avoid competition and thusly we have 2" Block Figures with light accessories. I for one, don't mind. Vox p.s. Come to think of it, the MaxiMates were address at SDCC as well. To avoid license conflicts at that size they had to be without articulation and of a certain material just to be able to make them. Makes total sense to me.. With hundreds of companies creating Marvel things you would have to limit who did what to add value to your individual product.. If the toy isle had 12 different 6" Spiderman action figures by 12 different companies the market would be saturated and all the companies would suffer. (It's bad enough seeing 2 or 3 lines right now) As usual, just my 2 cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM2 Dinobot Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 I gotta ask. Am I the ONLY one who thinks Minimates, all Minimates, should be limited to a 2" scale? Cause I'm feeling really lonely over here in the 2" corner all by myself. Maybe I'll get lucky and DST/AA won't renew DCD's license on the 2.5" body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drgnrbrn316 Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 I agree that all minimate licenses should be contained to the same scale, but I wouldn't say they should only be 2". If everyone can do the 2.5" then there should be differing scales, if not, then none of them should use it. As for killing the 2.5 license, that won't happen. It's DC's license, they can do what they want with it. If they want 14" minimates, in theory, they could do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyc Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 Personally I think the increasing number of unique headpieces is more a threat to the status quo of Minimates as we know them than DCD reviving the 2.5" body Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM2 Dinobot Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 I don't mind the 2.5". I just don't like it. I prefer the 2", and I wish every one would use it. But DCD doesn't and DST does. Oh well, fact of life. I'll just have to deal with it just like every one else will have to deal with 2" only in Marvel. Which, IMHO, is the main reason Marvel Mates will always be better then DC Mates. Although, Salak isn't the first non-standard MM head. There was Leader way back in wave 4, and even Venom w/ tongue. But yeah, I don't want to see a habit of odd shaped heads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyejinx1984 Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 I was actually wondering how they got away with The Leader Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizklimkit Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 I agree that normal sized characters (Magneto, Spider-man, Iron Man, Gambit) should be in the 2" scale. But for huge people like Juggernaut, Hulk or Strong Guy, I think 2.5 would be cool. But on that note, I think people like Giant Man should be made Maximate style. I don't care if they're articulated or not. As long as they're sculpted with their arms in some sort of pose, them I'm fine. I don't need Giant Man to be in kneeling down or doing ballet style poses. I don't need the articulation for him. But that's just my opinion. Also, I'm not really feeling the sculpted chest on apocalypse. Someone mentioned, it looks to much like a kubrick, and less like a minimate. I hope this isn't something that happens on the regular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 I hope that DCD's 2.5" licence isn't taken away. I really like the bigger mates, esp Ares. He's one of my favs. As is known I'm not that big a DC fan and much prefer Marvel. I had lost faith in Marvel til I saw the new waves. I love the Apocolypse! I wish it was 2.5" but this looks great. I would love a poseable 8" Giant-man. That would be awesome! Hulk and Juggernaut look so rubbish in 2". It's a disgrace, but what can you do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drgnrbrn316 Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 Although, Salak isn't the first non-standard MM head. There was Leader way back in wave 4, and even Venom w/ tongue. But yeah, I don't want to see a habit of odd shaped heads. While not the first to have a head that deviates from the standard round head (Leader would be the first in the 2" category, and probably one of the Orcs in the 2.5" category), Salak is definitely amongst the first to deviate so far from the normal mold (Kellogg's, be damned!). At least with Leader, Smart Hulk, etc, you still maintain some sort of round shape to the head. Salak doesn't even resemble the normal shape, though to be quite honest, I can't think of a way they could have done him to where he did keep the normal head. I was actually wondering how they got away with The Leader I'm thinking there's a little play in the 2" rule. After all, adding the hair piece or a belt to the standard minimate does make it a bit taller than 2". I imagine Leader just fit in under the limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtf this isn't Sparta Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 There's only even a few bigger characters we need. Rhino, Juggernaut, Hulk, Giant Man, and a few more. Marvel needs to let them make bigger 'mates. If my Rhino stays tiny, my life will crumble. *sniffle* And, DC. I hated their comics and their Minimates already, and now THEY get the 2.5 'mates. DC is the spoiled younger brother of the Minimate universe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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