MisterPL Posted January 15, 2007 Share Posted January 15, 2007 Between the movie, the remastered original series, and the announcement of 2-inch Minimates (with pics!) I'm actually getting stoked about this property all over again. I've been waiting years for Trek Minimates in scale with my Marvel and DC figures and it looks like it's finally gonna happen. I'm eager to see what JJ Abrams can bring to the film franchise (though I really do believe Trek's home should be exclusively TV, not cinema). And if someone told me that something as simple as updating the visual effects would make TOS must-see TV after 40 years, I don't know that I'd have believed them. Everything old is new again! I love it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdyCarter Posted January 15, 2007 Share Posted January 15, 2007 Im still trying to get hold of ToS HD but am looking forward to seen it, Im anticipating Abrams take on Trek and Minimates are a good thing, I too share you scary Trek related optimism again. Spooky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazing.JL Posted January 15, 2007 Share Posted January 15, 2007 Yes I'm very excited as well. I'm curious to see who plays Kirk and Spock and any others that maybe in the prequel movie. I'm confident that it won't suck. I've enjoyed JJ Abram's Lost, Alias, and MI3 wasn't that bad for his first movie. These minimates came at a right time and hope the line goes beyond TOS. lol, I too am trying to get a hold of TOS HD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comedian Posted January 15, 2007 Share Posted January 15, 2007 I'm excited too. It would only be better if the Johnny Lightning ships would have continued for another few series. I really wanted an NX-2000 Excelsior. And an Enterprise B and C. But the 'Mates will do for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rad Posted January 15, 2007 Share Posted January 15, 2007 lol, I too am trying to get a hold of TOS HD. Scuze the ignorance but what does the HD stand for? Is it High Definition? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterPL Posted January 16, 2007 Author Share Posted January 16, 2007 I'm excited too. It would only be better if the Johnny Lightning ships would have continued for another few series. I still don't understand why that line failed. All I ever saw were empty pegs shortly after product was released. Those ships were gorgeous and never collected dust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterPL Posted January 16, 2007 Author Share Posted January 16, 2007 lol, I too am trying to get a hold of TOS HD. Scuze the ignorance but what does the HD stand for? Is it High Definition? Yes, high definition. And in the case of certain visual effects, Huge Difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rad Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 I knew the show was getting a bit of a makeover but wasn't aware it was going HD. Makes sense really, in fact it's amazing they haven't done the effect thing first, released it on DVD and then release the HD version six months later! Cheers Mr PL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jad Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 RE: "I'm excited about Trek again!, (and sober!)" I'm also excited that you're sober! Seriously, though, while I love all minimates, I will only order them by the case for two lines: modern Battlestar, and Star Trek. I picked up all three seasons of the classic series on DVD and have been slowly going through them, loving every digital minute of it. Trek rules! I haven't seen any of the revamped episodes yet (they're on at 1:00 AM and I don't have a VCR). I bet they would be interesting, but I'd probably prefer the originals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanester Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 So MPL, which is harder to maintain? Your excitement for the new Trek minis or sobriety? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reideen1313 Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 lol, I too am trying to get a hold of TOS HD. Scuze the ignorance but what does the HD stand for? Is it High Definition? Yes, high definition. And in the case of certain visual effects, Huge Difference. Forgive me for straying off topic. What I find really interesting is the backlash leveled at Lucas for tweaking the original SW trilogy, but I don't see similar complaints against Trek. Is it because the Trek changes are more cosmetic vs character as seen in SW? (I'm all for the Trek changes and hate the SW changes - but when I compare the two, I'm having a tough time deciding why that is, even for myself...) Maybe it's just an anti-Lucas sentiment in the fan community? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jad Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 I think the fan rancor (pardon the pun) towards Lucas' digital changes is that for a loooooooong time the unaltered original versions were not officially available. Now that they have come out on DVD, there's still plenty of grief because they aren't anamorphic transfers or in surround sound. Whereas with Star Trek, fans can easily watch the originals, all cleaned up in a very nice DVD set, or they can watch the newer versions on TV (they'll surely be on high def DVD sooner or later). Giving a consumer more control over the product they buy results in a happier consumer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterPL Posted January 16, 2007 Author Share Posted January 16, 2007 So MPL, which is harder to maintain? Your excitement for the new Trek minis or sobriety? Considering I don't drink, I'd have to go with keeping my Trek up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterPL Posted January 16, 2007 Author Share Posted January 16, 2007 What I find really interesting is the backlash leveled at Lucas for tweaking the original SW trilogy, but I don't see similar complaints against Trek. Is it because the Trek changes are more cosmetic vs character as seen in SW? (I'm all for the Trek changes and hate the SW changes - but when I compare the two, I'm having a tough time deciding why that is, even for myself...) Maybe it's just an anti-Lucas sentiment in the fan community? Personally the changes to Trek make it better. The changes to Star Wars only made it different at best and in a couple instances worse. Lucas shows a lot less respect for his own work (and the efforts of the hundreds of others who produced Star Wars) than the folks in charge of altering TOS. Of course the people in charge of this remastering are FANS. Perhaps if Gene Roddenberry had the chance Lucas did, he'd have made more sweeping changes altogether. (IE - Klingons with ridged heads because, as Lucas put it with Jabba, "That was always my intention.") Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rad Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 I've obviously not seen the updated trek stuff, but I remember reading that all they were touching up were the ship models and special effects. By special effects I'm assuming they mean transporer shimmer/ Phaser blasts that kind of thing. I can't imagine seeing a wobbly cgi Gorn fight Kirk in Arena. Would I be right in my assumptions? Lucas really effed up with Star Wars especially ANH. I liked the idea of things being cleaned up. I could live with that. Dewbacks that move? That's fine. More X-Wings... That's fine, there was supposed to be thirty ships attacking the death star after all. But... Greedo shooting first! Absolute bollocks! As for the Jabba thing. I remember seeing an documentary thing where they were trying to work out how to make Han Solo walk behind Jabba as he had with the human actor in the original shoot. Their solution? Make Han walk over Jabba's tail. Now, the Hutt are supposed to be one of the nastiest aliens in the SW galaxy. If you walked on ones tail you'd be a greasy smear on the floor. Why didn't they just have Jabba turn around to follow Han as Han walked behind him? Scuze the rant! Apologies for maybe going off topic too, but I had to get that off my chest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterPL Posted January 17, 2007 Author Share Posted January 17, 2007 I've obviously not seen the updated trek stuff, but I remember reading that all they were touching up were the ship models and special effects. By special effects I'm assuming they mean transporer shimmer/ Phaser blasts that kind of thing. I can't imagine seeing a wobbly cgi Gorn fight Kirk in Arena. Would I be right in my assumptions? Somewhat. It's actually pretty scary seeing the CG-1701 flying in the same wonky path as its predecessor. They were a little TOO faithful to the source material as far as I'm concerned. I'd have taken a few more liberties when it came to establishing shots, but you can tell there's either a profound reverence for the original or a fear of upsetting a 40-year-old fanbase. They've done a very good job replicating certain shots, but even to a flaw. There are shots of the Enterprise that always bugged me because it looked like the ship was skidding along a strange axis, no doubt due to the more primitive effects of the day. But like Yoda's jiggling Muppet ears, the animators have duplicated it as if to say to the fans, "See? All we did was replace it. All the flaws are there, too, it just looks better." I'm still hoping that greater leeway will be given in future episodes. I'll say this for the space shots, though: The planets look stunning. And the aztec patterns on the ships are perfectly subtle, as if you're simply noticing something that's always been there because your prescription lenses changed. As far as transporter and phaser effects, I've noticed very little in the way of change. It looks cleaned up but nothing looks like a 2006 effect misplaced in a 1966 TV series. No CG Gorn but I'm kinda hoping for a CG NOMAD to replace that shaky martini mixer. Removing the wires may not be enough. But if you want to see for yourself, click here for before and after images. These pics are worth a thousand words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rad Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 You're certainly right about the reverence for the source material. I've looked through those pics and can see nothing that jars the eye. The attention to detail is incredible. Replacing Sulu's chronometer for instance. It still looks retro but pleasingly retro. Cheers for the link Mr PL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Donster Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Forgive me for straying off topic. What I find really interesting is the backlash leveled at Lucas for tweaking the original SW trilogy, but I don't see similar complaints against Trek. Is it because the Trek changes are more cosmetic vs character as seen in SW? (I'm all for the Trek changes and hate the SW changes - but when I compare the two, I'm having a tough time deciding why that is, even for myself...) Maybe it's just an anti-Lucas sentiment in the fan community? Hey Reid, there was actually the same backlash as the Star Wars before the episodes aired. But once the episodes aired everyone seemed to have gotten a case of amnesia and forgotten all the nasty crap they said :tongue: Like most here, it airs at various times, so I haven't seen too much of the HD remastered stuff. But I have been watching the original and remastered SW movies, I'm on ROTJ at the moment and may have finally came to terms with what Lucas did in his special editions ^_^ Anyway, back to what you were saying, there was certainly the same backlash for the HD remastering of TOS, it's still lingering in certain circles to say the least. My hope is that they might go back and touch up TNG next, at least the first few seasons. Still on the fence on the JJA TOS, since we really haven't heard much about that so far But I'm totally stoked about the Trek Minimates being in scale with the Marvel Mates and the DC Mates(C3). Definately makes me glad that I didn't pick up the originals back in the day. That was before some of you sucked me into this crazy line, you know who you are :biggrin: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdyCarter Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Cheers for that link PL, having not seen any of the episodes yet I wasnt aware just how cool the updates were Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesLuvsShinzon Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 I like the stills I've seen of the remastered TOS. I hope we can get to see it in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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