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#1 Valo487

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 10:45 AM

I'm almost certain before I even post this I will regret it for giving DST ideas, but after some of the reveals we saw at Toyfair I started thinking about redos. Much like death and taxes, redos are a fact of life. What characters do you guys think NEED redos, and what characters would you like to see redone that don't necessarily demand it, and why? To clarify, a character does not need a redo just because you don't have one or don't feel like paying more than retail for it, but if the first attempt at a character doesn't hold up now compared to current 'mates, like Kingpin. Please refrain from putting characters on the list who you just haven't bought yet, this isn't about what's convenient for you, but about which characters could stand a second look. Off the top of my head...

NEED:
Abomination
Blob (if you even want to count the movie Blob)

WANT:
Commander Steve Rogers
Iron Man 2020
The Leader (Brainy look)

I'll definitely add more as I think of them.

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 11:04 AM

Need:
Nick Fury (We have more SMJ versions than the regular 616 version?)
Abomination
Blob
Winter Soldier
Luke Cage
Hawkeye
Vision

Want:
Havok, Wolfsbane, Polaris, Madrox, Quicksilver- X-Factor!
Classic Cyclops- It's been seven years since we got the Classic version? He could be modernized. Wouldn't mind a more modern Modern Cyclops either
Commander Rogers
Red Skull
Comic Iron Monger

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 11:18 AM

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 11:27 AM

Agreed on all fronts. I'd add-

Need:
Ghost Rider (Blaze, the blue flamed Ketch, and even the new girl)
Mystique
Polaris

Want:
Quicksilver (green costume)
Space Armor Iron Man
Deep Sea Iron Man
Classic Stealth Iron Man
Hydro Man (if TM2 can begrudge a new Havok cause he can still readily find the last one, I can want a redo of this guy for the opposite reason)

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 11:37 AM

:eyerolls at pointless post: Anyway...

I'd argue that Winter Soldier is almost a seperate character Turtle, I think you could argue he's in the same vein as Bruce Banner and the Hulk, Bucky's 'mate doesn't replace Winter Soldier in my mind.

Personally I wouldn't want to see Hydro Man again in the same look, but if they released him in his costumed look, like he wore in the Frightful Four I'd be cool with it.

Comic Iron Monger could be cool, and I completely forgot Luke Cage, he definitely needs an update for his current look.

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 11:43 AM

Yeah, you're right about Winter Soldier/Bucky/Cap... I just feel compelled to add him to any wishlist he fits in at all, however poor that fit may be.

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 11:50 AM

Power Man is at the top of my list. I'd also throw classic Iron Fist on there, though I can certainly live with the modern Iron Fist. I'd also submit Cyclops in his classic blue and yellow costume, which DST hasn't quite gotten right. Scrolling through the Database, those are the only ones that really strike me as "needing to be redone because the original is hopelessly outdated".

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: HELLPOP GETS IT.

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 12:03 PM

Abomination and Blob are musts, certainly.

I'm definitely up for new versions of Nick Fury and Luke Cage... and Hawkeye, but Zach has all but confirmed him already.

think that is it for me, sure there are alternate looks, costume variations or other identities, but in terms of straight remakes, that'll do.


Valo, Winter Soldier counts as a separate character, but you listed Commander Rogers?

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 12:08 PM

Fair point, I meant more in the sense that Bucky is so different from Winter Soldier that if one gets made the other is still completely valid, I don't feel like Commander Steve Rogers NEEDS to be made, but I wouldn't mind seeing him. I guess my point is I feel like Winter Soldier needs to be made, but Commander Rogers is just a version of Cap I'd like to see if they're going to make another one.

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 12:44 PM

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Someday I want to see a study on the life cycle of these threads. They seem to crop up about every 6-9 months.


Because Minimates have changed and the simple looks tend to look really bad next to modern versions?? Why do you always need to remind us you hate redoes? Hell, i like Wave 43 Spidey a hundred times more than the Wave 2 version (GASP!!). They're happening and they're usually always better.

Anyway,

Glaring omissions:
WHITE QUEEN
Nick Fury (Much easier now)
Yellow Daredevil
Power Man
Ketch Ghost Rider (i consider the Target GR to be an attempt)
Sebastian Shaw

Wants:
Dark X-men Emma
Dark X-men Daken
COMMANDER ROGERS (like....seriously. I own the Legend, the Universe, and i will jump for a minimate)
Age of Apocalypse Phoenix (this counts, right?? :wub: )
.....Winter Soldier :thumbsup:

Edited by Twisted Two-Face, 15 February 2012 - 12:45 PM.

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 12:49 PM

Green Pietro & a decent Scarlet Witch .


Dr.Strange is just great as he is but I know many people seem to have missed out on him so some sort of redo would be worthwhile.

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 12:59 PM

If we get a Yellow Daredevil, I hope we get a new Daredevil villain out of it.

To those unhappy with Nick Fury, I took the Patch Wolverine and slapped a Mr. Fantastic hairpiece on it, and I think it makes an awesome Nick Fury, in case you guys want an easy custom.

I was wondering Two-Face, we've had three different versions of the White Queen, what would you want them to do differently they haven't already done? I agree none seem "right" but I'm not sure what to change.

I think masked Dr. Strange with a hairpiece to give the option for either look would be good with Nightmare as a two-pack.

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 01:09 PM

I'm all for re-dos as long as
1. They don't obnoxiously outweigh new characters (which wave 44 kinda did)
2. They are better than the previous (most are, but X-Force Wolverine and boxed set Sandman and Venom come to mind)

But keep the good re-dos coming DST! I think we NEED:
Black Cat
Chameleon
Absorbing Man
Scarlet Witch
+ all the others listed above.

And some that come to mind as WANT would be the new Defenders costumes Strange, Iron Fist, and Namor have (Red She-Hulk can go to hell for all I care)

Edited by Punisher, 15 February 2012 - 01:11 PM.


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Posted 15 February 2012 - 01:14 PM

I was wondering Two-Face, we've had three different versions of the White Queen, what would you want them to do differently they haven't already done? I agree none seem "right" but I'm not sure what to change.



I do like the original Emma, she's just dated. If they updated her to be less blocky in the details area, give her a newer cape, and Ultimate Thor's hair, i'd say we have the perfect Emma. Next to Selene and Black Queen Jean she looks odd, the X-men isn't "White Queen," and the movie isn't even cannon (not that i don't like it, it's just too Sharon Carter)

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 01:52 PM

Really needs:
-Classic Iron Fist
-Classic Luke Cage, Power Man
-Quicksilver in green duds
-Abomination
-Blob (honorable mention, since we all want the classic comic version but got the movie one)

Wouldn't minds:

-Scarlet Witch
-yellow Daredevil

Edited by Mystery Man, 15 February 2012 - 01:55 PM.


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Posted 15 February 2012 - 01:56 PM

Chameleon could be really cool, with some slip on masks and whatnot.

And I think Punisher nailed my feelings on redos, specifically his 1.

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 02:13 PM

I second the Absorbing Man. I'd like him in his proper light lavender pants with the black horizental pinstripes. And totally human. Maybe add so over sized slip on thing parts to make a stone arm. That too specific?

As to the Ketch GR, the first one got the costume right, but the head was lacking. The Target one had a much better skull tampo, but an all black suit that matched Blaze's new colors, but not quiet the style. So IMO they've come close twice, but missed both tries. And yeah I realize what a QC it would be to do, but I do not own the original GR mate with with to do it. But since the looks of Blaze and Ketch have diverged so starkly, I think both need another turn. To DST's credit, they totally nailed the classic Blaze Ghost Rider in the Champions set.

And agreed about the White Queen.

I'd add the Jessica Drew Spider Woman as well. Yes I know there are already two of her, but there are already two Punishers too, three if you count the movie version. I'm just sayin', better hair, some glider wings, a venom blast accessory or a flight stand; not as crazy as it sounds.
(pretty much, if they were in the "New Avengers" or AXM waves and haven't already been updated already, then they should be)

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 02:51 PM

(pretty much, if they were in the "New Avengers" or AXM waves and haven't already been updated already, then they should be)

That is a great way to put it. You know, a really cool Echo 'mate could come with a Ronin mask, chest cover, boot pieces, and extra arms. And, yeah, Jessica Drew needs to be redone.

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 03:28 PM

1 with a bullet: Brown Wolverine (though I'm crossing fingers that the "Outback" version will satiate my hunger)
2 with an, uh, arrow: Hawkeye: I've got a Frankenstein using parts from the original and the Dark Avengers version, but still. . .we need an official release of the 616 heroic Hawkeye that does him justice on the order of what we've seen recently for Cap, Thor, and Iron Man. Hopefully with the release of the Avengers movie?

Others:
Green Quicksilver
Scarlet Witch (first one is just kind of basic and ugly)
Nick Fury
classic pirate boot Cyclops
GS X-Men Storm (I actually love this figure, but would like to see what DST could do with her today, to match up with newer versions of the other X-Men)
Thing (still haven't done him to my satisfaction)
Riot Spidey. . .just looking for a re-release more than anything else. Yes, I put this on my list because I don't have him and can't afford him. Who are you to tell me what I can and can't do? :verymad:

Lesser interest, but could use updates:
Mystique
Absorbing Man
Ultron (less gimmicky head)


I'm kind of partial to my simplistic, cutesy Power Man and Iron Fist. But I can see where the rest of you are coming from. Maybe a hair piece that stays on Power Man this time?

Edited by karamazov80, 15 February 2012 - 03:28 PM.


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Posted 15 February 2012 - 03:44 PM

1 with a bullet: Brown Wolverine (though I'm crossing fingers that the "Outback" version will satiate my hunger)
2 with an, uh, arrow: Hawkeye: I've got a Frankenstein using parts from the original and the Dark Avengers version, but still. . .we need an official release of the 616 heroic Hawkeye that does him justice on the order of what we've seen recently for Cap, Thor, and Iron Man. Hopefully with the release of the Avengers movie?

Others:
Green Quicksilver
Scarlet Witch (first one is just kind of basic and ugly)
Nick Fury
classic pirate boot Cyclops
GS X-Men Storm (I actually love this figure, but would like to see what DST could do with her today, to match up with newer versions of the other X-Men)
Thing (still haven't done him to my satisfaction)
Riot Spidey. . .just looking for a re-release more than anything else. Yes, I put this on my list because I don't have him and can't afford him. Who are you to tell me what I can and can't do? :verymad:

Lesser interest, but could use updates:
Mystique
Absorbing Man
Ultron (less gimmicky head)


I'm kind of partial to my simplistic, cutesy Power Man and Iron Fist. But I can see where the rest of you are coming from. Maybe a hair piece that stays on Power Man this time?





-My problem with Power Man and Iron Fist:

Fist's torso is way too big with that kimono piece. If they'd have the big collar (like Deadman, Star Sapphire) but the rest a regular chest piece it'd look much slicker.

Cage's problem is his face. His mouth is rather nebulous. Where's it begin and end? It's like one lip is one color than the other.


-The Thing. He's in my top 5 favorite Marvel characters and I've always been bummed with the lack-of awesome he's had lately. I'm hoping that the "Best of Marvel" Thing will FINALLY get him right. The series 5 one (and Clobberin' Time) were both great for non-bulky, but once they've started upping the sculpted pieces they get either the face wrong (too many teeth) or the hairpiece color/face color don't match.


Also, I wouldn't mind seeing a green/yellow solid Vision. They could re-release the old one in another Best of Marvel line, but without phasing arms and legs and it'd be damn perfect.

Lastly, if you need a Riot Spidey I'm sure I've got an extra.

Edited by Mystery Man, 15 February 2012 - 03:46 PM.





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