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Well this changes my Avengers 3 theory...

Apparently rumor has it Avengers 3 will be Stark with a new group of Avengers. Leading up to a triumphant return of the original group for Avengers 4: Infinity Gauntlet. So perhaps Avengers 3 is something like... World War Hulk? We have the Hulk go offworld sometime after Age of Ultron, have Civil War in Cap 3, and then have Avengers 3 with a team of Iron Man, Doctor Strange, Ant Man (replacing Mr. Fantastic), Black Bolt (if the Inhumans are established), and maybe Black Panther (replacing Namor) all doing World War Hulk.

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Zexion_Armando, on 13 Oct 2014 - 20:21, said:

Civil War just doesn't work with the MCU. The heroes have no secret identities, Iron Man is sort of anti authority, SHIELD is basically dead.

To be fair, A2: Age of Ultron isn’t based on the Age of Ultron comics, and Netflix’s “The Defenders” won’t be made up of the characters I’d call “the Defenders” (since 50% of them belong to Fox)... so I’m going to wait until more plot details emerge other than “in the comic of the same name..." before I call it a good or bad idea.

Also I find it funny WB tried to scare Marvel off this release date by claiming it for BvS:DoJ thinking they were going to do Doctor Strange or something and it ended up being “Captain America Vs Iron Man”, it’ll be fun to see which Vs movie makes more at the box office (hopefully BoxOfficeMojo will be back to normal by then so I can enjoy all the in detail stat break downs!)

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How is Marvel "rebooting" Civil War? It was a fine story when it happened (ducks rotten tomatoes from Hellpop), but they kind of burned all of those bridges. Is, like Cap going to be pro and IM anti now?

Nah, no rotten tomatoes. But I will say this: the problem I have with Civil War (and much of Marvel's output in this modern era) is that the characters are forced to fit the story Millar wants to tell, rather then allowing the story to grow out of the characters. Such writing displays a fundamental lack of understanding of the characters and troubling laziness. Captain America doesn't behave like Captain America. While I can buy that he would oppose registration as an infringement of civil liberties, in no way do I believe that he'd become a guerrilla resistance fighter. Really, the story is a Batman/Superman story with Cap and Iron Man shoehorned in those roles. But Millar has certainly never shown himself to be a writer who cares about things like consistent character motivation.

I do think the story could work in the movie universe, though. I could envision a scenario where Tony Stark believes that superhumans have gotten out of control and need to be reigned in, though why Cap would be on the other side is hard to imagine.

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Yeah, this raises so many questions for me about how it could play out in the Marvel Studios-verse. Primary among these is how you could have an argument of violating rights/civil liberties for a group of, what, 10 or 15 super heroes, most of which don't even have secret identities? If you had a sprawling universe of hundreds of heroes like in the comics, the storyline makes more sense. So, it's gonna have to be pretty different from the comics fundamentally to work at all. But, we'll see.

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I think Cap's already disturbed by the events of Winter Soldier. I mean, when you find out the government you have trusted and served is corrupt, you'll probably be more sensitive to this kind of invasion of privacy. Cap fights for freedom, and you're not free under the Regestration Act. Let's not forget that it's not just the big heros that we already know about, it's every person with superhuman powers.

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But in this universe, so far, you don't have lots of folks with super powers. They don't have mutants. Maybe some of the super powered aliens we see in GOTG start showing up on earth, like Alien Nation? Or maybe the Inhumans thing starts creating a large class of super powered people?

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We're also assuming that the movies will stick completely to the comic elements. They could always take liberties far from the registration act being about super powered people. It could become about anything of a political nature. In that respect, it doesn't matter how many heroes there are - even just two would be enough to have a devastating outcome of they butted heads strongly enough...

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I'm pretty sure fans are taking the title "Civil War" far too literally.

I seriously doubt this will be an adaptation of the comic. There just aren't many masked characters in the MCU. Maybe by the time this movie shows up they'll be able to use Daredevil and Iron Fist but Spidey is still under Columbia and none of the Fox or Marvel Studios characters have secret identities. So the divide here won't have anything to do with a registration act.

I'm guessing they're just using the "Civil War" title to generate buzz and maybe even harvest some ideas from the web. Personally it sounds like Marvel trying to "Me, too!" DC with a "Versus" movie of their own.

To be fair, this confrontation between Tony and Steve has been gestating since The Avengers when Cap asked, "What are you without the suit?" That was more honestly addressed in Iron Man 3 so besides the snarky comeback delivered in The Avengers, Tony's got some confidence back for Age of Ultron. However, given how that movie seems to pan out, Cap probably ends up feeling technology is NOT the way to go, pitting powered characters like himself, Thor, and Banner against non-powered characters like Stark, Black Widow, Hawkeye, and Falcon.

Or not.

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i think we're all forgetting that no official sources have confirmed this. Variety may be reliable most times but they too have posted misinformation from rumors

remember when everyone thought Avengers 2 was for sure going to be World War Hulk?

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So our hero, who caused mass amounts of destruction in his last film, now not trusted by the government, and himself not very trusting of the government is going to be wanted by the government so they're going to get another hero (one who also doesn't play by the governments rules and who happens to be a billionaire with lots of gadgets) to bring him in...... what film am I describing?

Captain America 3 opens 29 April 2016

Superman vs Batman opens 25 March 2016

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Batman's had no problem working with Jim Gordon but the federal government? I don't know. That'd be... unexpected.

I've always liked the idea of the Justice League being formed as contingency plan to combat Superman. I can see Lex Luthor putting it together, co-financing it with Oliver Queen and Bruce Wayne and Ted Kord. The twist, of course, being that Superman ends up joining the team and Lex gets bought out by those he doesn't even suspect of being vigilantes themselves.

And I really don't see Tony Stark working with the government, especially after Senator Stern was outed as HYDRA.

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I can see Lex Luthor putting it together, co-financing it with Oliver Queen and Bruce Wayne and Ted Kord. The twist, of course, being that Superman ends up joining the team and Lex gets bought out by those he doesn't even suspect of being vigilantes themselves.

Another hilarious "didn't you get the memo?" moment in the making!
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Chris Evans was rumored to be looking for a way out of this role. Killing him off so they can resurrect/recast in the future seems like a good way to move forward. I shudder to think about rebooting the entire MCU just because a guy like RDJ gets too expensive or loses interest or simply gets too old.

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Another day, another Summer 2015 Marvel event announced.

Secret Wars, Age of Ultron vs. Marvel Zombies, Civil War, Years of Future Past, Planet Hulk, and now Armor Wars?

This is ridiculous.

"Deja Vu52," indeed.



I thought Evans was leaving when his contract was up, after a couple more films, anyway? He publicly said that he wants to focus on directing. He wants out even sooner?

I read that as well but it's generally a way of saying, "More money, please." That said, Marvel's notorious cheap except when it comes to RDJ. With both Bucky and Falcon established in the MCU, either (or both) could take the mantle for a while.

Hey, maybe they'll do a "Search for Spock" and have Evans direct CA4 afte rthey kill off Rogers in CA3.

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