CBMM1 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 http://variety.com/2014/film/news/robert-downey-jr-to-join-captain-america-3-exclusive-1201312229/ So this happened... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trekker 42 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Well this changes my Avengers 3 theory... Apparently rumor has it Avengers 3 will be Stark with a new group of Avengers. Leading up to a triumphant return of the original group for Avengers 4: Infinity Gauntlet. So perhaps Avengers 3 is something like... World War Hulk? We have the Hulk go offworld sometime after Age of Ultron, have Civil War in Cap 3, and then have Avengers 3 with a team of Iron Man, Doctor Strange, Ant Man (replacing Mr. Fantastic), Black Bolt (if the Inhumans are established), and maybe Black Panther (replacing Namor) all doing World War Hulk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zexion_Armando Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Its a rumor, and a bad one. Civil War just doesn't work with the MCU. The heroes have no secret identities, Iron Man is sort of anti authority, SHIELD is basically dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBMM1 Posted October 14, 2014 Author Share Posted October 14, 2014 That's true. It is a rumor, but Variety is THE most reliable site for this kind of story. I don't ever recall them being wrong. It's not like this is El Mayimbe or some other shaky "news source". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellpop Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 That is such a bad idea I don't even know how to respond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobsterman Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 How is Marvel "rebooting" Civil War? It was a fine story when it happened (ducks rotten tomatoes from Hellpop), but they kind of burned all of those bridges. Is, like Cap going to be pro and IM anti now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr baghead Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Zexion_Armando, on 13 Oct 2014 - 20:21, said: Civil War just doesn't work with the MCU. The heroes have no secret identities, Iron Man is sort of anti authority, SHIELD is basically dead. To be fair, A2: Age of Ultron isn’t based on the Age of Ultron comics, and Netflix’s “The Defenders” won’t be made up of the characters I’d call “the Defenders” (since 50% of them belong to Fox)... so I’m going to wait until more plot details emerge other than “in the comic of the same name..." before I call it a good or bad idea.Also I find it funny WB tried to scare Marvel off this release date by claiming it for BvS:DoJ thinking they were going to do Doctor Strange or something and it ended up being “Captain America Vs Iron Man”, it’ll be fun to see which Vs movie makes more at the box office (hopefully BoxOfficeMojo will be back to normal by then so I can enjoy all the in detail stat break downs!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glantern Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 I'm sort of hoping this just turns out to be a rumor, but if not, I feel pretty good about the MCU making a terrible story work by using just the base concept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellpop Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 How is Marvel "rebooting" Civil War? It was a fine story when it happened (ducks rotten tomatoes from Hellpop), but they kind of burned all of those bridges. Is, like Cap going to be pro and IM anti now? Nah, no rotten tomatoes. But I will say this: the problem I have with Civil War (and much of Marvel's output in this modern era) is that the characters are forced to fit the story Millar wants to tell, rather then allowing the story to grow out of the characters. Such writing displays a fundamental lack of understanding of the characters and troubling laziness. Captain America doesn't behave like Captain America. While I can buy that he would oppose registration as an infringement of civil liberties, in no way do I believe that he'd become a guerrilla resistance fighter. Really, the story is a Batman/Superman story with Cap and Iron Man shoehorned in those roles. But Millar has certainly never shown himself to be a writer who cares about things like consistent character motivation. I do think the story could work in the movie universe, though. I could envision a scenario where Tony Stark believes that superhumans have gotten out of control and need to be reigned in, though why Cap would be on the other side is hard to imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karamazov80 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Yeah, this raises so many questions for me about how it could play out in the Marvel Studios-verse. Primary among these is how you could have an argument of violating rights/civil liberties for a group of, what, 10 or 15 super heroes, most of which don't even have secret identities? If you had a sprawling universe of hundreds of heroes like in the comics, the storyline makes more sense. So, it's gonna have to be pretty different from the comics fundamentally to work at all. But, we'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBMM1 Posted October 14, 2014 Author Share Posted October 14, 2014 I think Cap's already disturbed by the events of Winter Soldier. I mean, when you find out the government you have trusted and served is corrupt, you'll probably be more sensitive to this kind of invasion of privacy. Cap fights for freedom, and you're not free under the Regestration Act. Let's not forget that it's not just the big heros that we already know about, it's every person with superhuman powers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karamazov80 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 But in this universe, so far, you don't have lots of folks with super powers. They don't have mutants. Maybe some of the super powered aliens we see in GOTG start showing up on earth, like Alien Nation? Or maybe the Inhumans thing starts creating a large class of super powered people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youbastards Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Maybe Zemo uses the Cosmic Cube and time-ports Cap/Falcon/Widow/Hawkeye back to 1860's America? Of course Stark finds a way to get them home, but Hawkeye decides to stay behind since his skills are more relevant to that era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny B Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 We're also assuming that the movies will stick completely to the comic elements. They could always take liberties far from the registration act being about super powered people. It could become about anything of a political nature. In that respect, it doesn't matter how many heroes there are - even just two would be enough to have a devastating outcome of they butted heads strongly enough... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellpop Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 What's interesting to me is that the "reboot" image in the article features Spidey, who was of course a big part of the original Civil War. I wonder if they might be able to get Spidey loaned back for a cameo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterPL Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 I'm pretty sure fans are taking the title "Civil War" far too literally. I seriously doubt this will be an adaptation of the comic. There just aren't many masked characters in the MCU. Maybe by the time this movie shows up they'll be able to use Daredevil and Iron Fist but Spidey is still under Columbia and none of the Fox or Marvel Studios characters have secret identities. So the divide here won't have anything to do with a registration act. I'm guessing they're just using the "Civil War" title to generate buzz and maybe even harvest some ideas from the web. Personally it sounds like Marvel trying to "Me, too!" DC with a "Versus" movie of their own. To be fair, this confrontation between Tony and Steve has been gestating since The Avengers when Cap asked, "What are you without the suit?" That was more honestly addressed in Iron Man 3 so besides the snarky comeback delivered in The Avengers, Tony's got some confidence back for Age of Ultron. However, given how that movie seems to pan out, Cap probably ends up feeling technology is NOT the way to go, pitting powered characters like himself, Thor, and Banner against non-powered characters like Stark, Black Widow, Hawkeye, and Falcon. Or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undeadpool Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 i think we're all forgetting that no official sources have confirmed this. Variety may be reliable most times but they too have posted misinformation from rumors remember when everyone thought Avengers 2 was for sure going to be World War Hulk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkerbean Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 (edited) So our hero, who caused mass amounts of destruction in his last film, now not trusted by the government, and himself not very trusting of the government is going to be wanted by the government so they're going to get another hero (one who also doesn't play by the governments rules and who happens to be a billionaire with lots of gadgets) to bring him in...... what film am I describing? Captain America 3 opens 29 April 2016 Superman vs Batman opens 25 March 2016 Edited October 15, 2014 by winkerbean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karamazov80 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Good one winkerbean. But I wonder if Batman is actually going to be some tool of the government. That would seem strange to me, even if they tried to make him work with an Amanda Waller type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterPL Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Batman's had no problem working with Jim Gordon but the federal government? I don't know. That'd be... unexpected. I've always liked the idea of the Justice League being formed as contingency plan to combat Superman. I can see Lex Luthor putting it together, co-financing it with Oliver Queen and Bruce Wayne and Ted Kord. The twist, of course, being that Superman ends up joining the team and Lex gets bought out by those he doesn't even suspect of being vigilantes themselves. And I really don't see Tony Stark working with the government, especially after Senator Stern was outed as HYDRA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karamazov80 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 I can see Lex Luthor putting it together, co-financing it with Oliver Queen and Bruce Wayne and Ted Kord. The twist, of course, being that Superman ends up joining the team and Lex gets bought out by those he doesn't even suspect of being vigilantes themselves.Another hilarious "didn't you get the memo?" moment in the making! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00jelwes Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 I seriously think this could work. The Defenders will be in the cinematicverse by this point, maybe it could be a defenders/avengers war. Also maybe cap will die in age of ultron, so maybe it'll be stark vs Bucky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterPL Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Chris Evans was rumored to be looking for a way out of this role. Killing him off so they can resurrect/recast in the future seems like a good way to move forward. I shudder to think about rebooting the entire MCU just because a guy like RDJ gets too expensive or loses interest or simply gets too old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karamazov80 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 I thought Evans was leaving when his contract was up, after a couple more films, anyway? He publicly said that he wants to focus on directing. He wants out even sooner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterPL Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Another day, another Summer 2015 Marvel event announced. Secret Wars, Age of Ultron vs. Marvel Zombies, Civil War, Years of Future Past, Planet Hulk, and now Armor Wars? This is ridiculous. "Deja Vu52," indeed. I thought Evans was leaving when his contract was up, after a couple more films, anyway? He publicly said that he wants to focus on directing. He wants out even sooner? I read that as well but it's generally a way of saying, "More money, please." That said, Marvel's notorious cheap except when it comes to RDJ. With both Bucky and Falcon established in the MCU, either (or both) could take the mantle for a while. Hey, maybe they'll do a "Search for Spock" and have Evans direct CA4 afte rthey kill off Rogers in CA3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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