MisterPL Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Gosh. I guess we did. Now let's talk about how many Star Trek Minimates we haven't gotten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellpop Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 If only there was some kind of database of Minimates that you guys could use.... BTW, the first Power Man is also better known as Goliath, before becoming Atlas. If we were to ever get him, that would be my choice, and he'd fit in perfectly in the Avengers:Under Siege wave I've long thrown out as a perfect specialty wave: Captain America/Mister Hyde Thor/Goliath Wasp/Titania Black Knight/Yellowjacket (the female one) There's lots of other villains you could do there, though, like the Wrecking Crew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glantern Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Around the time of Wave 60's announcement, I was toying around with a Classic Avengers wave done in a similar way. I was thinking either an Under Siege-inspired wave: The Captain (with US Agent Pieces) vs Wrecker Hercules vs Thunder Ball Wasp (with pieces for an extra costume) vs Pile Driver Black Knight (with Nate Garret pieces) vs Bulldozer or, alternatively, a classic Avengers VS Masters of Evil: Iron Man (with both Tony and Rhodey pieces) vs Melter Thor vs Black Knight (With Dane Whitman pieces) Wasp (with pieces for an extra costume) vs Enchantress Safari Wonder Man (with pieces for tank top Wonder Man) vs Executioner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youbastards Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 If DST considers Wave 60 sales a success, maybe we could see a "Leather Jacket Avengers" set? Black Widow (with Alternate parts for Cersei) / Wrecker Black Knight (with alternate parts for Crystal) / Piledriver Hercules / Bulldozer White Vision / Thunderball While the 90's Avengers aren't a team I desire by any means, I would suffer through them to get the Wrecking Crew and some form of Cersei/Crystal/Black Knight. A new Herc is definitely welcome and White Vision is a long wanted variant for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glantern Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 I'd be fine with that line-up, though I can't help but feel that the percentage of Minimates from the 90s seems really disproportionate for a property that's been around for over 75 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mnemosis Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 I'm all for the leather Jacket Avengers, but I feel like we'd almost HAVE to see a return of Cap in that wave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buttheadsmate Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 I'd be fine with that line-up, though I can't help but feel that the percentage of Minimates from the 90s seems really disproportionate for a property that's been around for over 75 years ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stegron01 Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 I'm liking all of these wave ideas, but especially the masters of evil one. However, I think the issue that's causing this debate in the first place is that DST just isn't heading in that direction any more. It feels to me that what started out as a classic comic figure wave has evolved into a primarily movie figure line with modern comic character looks as the second choice. Although that's not what I want from the line, I'm not saying it's wrong. I guess it's a matter of perspective whether you complain about the current policy for moving too far away from its roots or applaud it for moving with the times. The only thing I would say is if it is genuinely the view at DST that old school avengers fans will be satisfied because of all the movie releases and thus don't need comic stuff as well, then certainly this old school fan thinks there's a misconception somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glantern Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 I'd be fine with that line-up, though I can't help but feel that the percentage of Minimates from the 90s seems really disproportionate for a property that's been around for over 75 years ? I don't think I know what your "?" is aimed at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buttheadsmate Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 I'd be fine with that line-up, though I can't help but feel that the percentage of Minimates from the 90s seems really disproportionate for a property that's been around for over 75 years ? I don't think I know what your "?" is aimed at. Sorry. Which property has been around for over 75 years (since before 1940) ? I'm guessing you could mean the Golden Age comic-heroes but I was unsure . I should have PM'd you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSTZach Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) I'm liking all of these wave ideas, but especially the masters of evil one. However, I think the issue that's causing this debate in the first place is that DST just isn't heading in that direction any more. It feels to me that what started out as a classic comic figure wave has evolved into a primarily movie figure line with modern comic character looks as the second choice. Although that's not what I want from the line, I'm not saying it's wrong. I guess it's a matter of perspective whether you complain about the current policy for moving too far away from its roots or applaud it for moving with the times. The only thing I would say is if it is genuinely the view at DST that old school avengers fans will be satisfied because of all the movie releases and thus don't need comic stuff as well, then certainly this old school fan thinks there's a misconception somewhere. I honestly don't think Chuck meant "old-school fans will be satisfied," I think he meant we were covering the majority of the Avengers fan base. The number of fans who remember that Atlas was once Goliath (me) and that Goliath was once Power Man (clearly not me) is a shrinking percentage of Marvel fans. Yes, those new fans sometimes become fans of the older stuff, but not as a rule. And we'll stop making 1990s Minimates as soon as people stop buying them. I think it's all about sales numbers, honestly -- they do well. (Mind you, people here STILL want us to go back to the 1990s, to do X-Factor and others.) Think of how many people got into comics when they were at their peak, after the X-Men and Spider-Man cartoons initiated a lot of readers, and even more recently, through the X-Men and Avengers movies. I think the occasional classic Avengers release is still totally possible, and it looks like a couple are definite, depending on your definition of "classic" and "Avenger," I just don't think there'll be a whole themed wave of them. Edited March 12, 2015 by DSTZach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glantern Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Sorry. Which property has been around for over 75 years (since before 1940) ? I'm guessing you could mean the Golden Age comic-heroes but I was unsure . I should have PM'd you. Oh, yeah, I meant Marvel as a whole, going back to the Golden Age. And no worries, I wasn't offended, just confused. And it seems to me that the pre-90s vs. post-90s is an uphill battle that I'm not going to win, so I guess I'll give up on that front. I could make a few more arguments, but I don't really want to be combative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karamazov80 Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) And we'll stop making 1990s Minimates. . . https://youtu.be/iPUmE-tne5U. . .as soon as people stop buying them. Edited March 12, 2015 by karamazov80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stack32 Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 I'd love to see what the actual financial impact from new fans on comics and comic-related merchandise is. I see them referenced frequently, but they seem almost like mythical creatures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karamazov80 Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 I want to believe that's true, and therefore, I believe that that's true. Old fans FTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stegron01 Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Absolutely! Mind you I take Zach's point that the percentage of old school fans is probably shrinking (and I didn't even know about atlas!) and I guess if you compare it to 11 years ago when the line started then it was that much closer to the bronze/silver age that we are largely talking about. At the end of the day you can't please all the people which I totally understand -though it would certainly be nice to feel pleased a little more often as a classic avengers fan! Still I do feel marginally encouraged by Zach's comment about a couple of upcoming characters... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karamazov80 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I'm pretty happy that we're finally getting some more of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants. But Masters of Evil and Frightful Four are woefully underrepresented in Minimate form. And that makes me want to RAGE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellpop Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I don't see why Minimates can't service fans from all eras. Hasbro has really stepped things up recently and is making figures for characters such as Hellcat, Machine Man, Thundra and BATROC, and there's no reason DST can't do the same. Waves can be a hodge-podge. I know that's a model DST has gotten away from as of late, but that does not have to be the case. And I think if DST is willing to dedicate a wave to the freakin' Jean DeWolff Saga, any storyline should be on the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mnemosis Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 HP, I'd argue that Hasbro and DST have SIGNIFICANTLY different business models/costs/retailer relationships. I'd further argue that Marvel Legends is a better established (read: more marketable/profitable) product line. Don't get me wrong. I'm pro-Minimate, 100%. I'm just saying Hasbro can probably better afford the Machine Man risk (who they know they can sell for his BAF part) than DST could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigvis497 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 "These heroes fight to find their origins and discover their true identities!" Minimates can and should do it better. Replace BAF part with anchor character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellpop Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 HP, I'd argue that Hasbro and DST have SIGNIFICANTLY different business models/costs/retailer relationships. I'd further argue that Marvel Legends is a better established (read: more marketable/profitable) product line. Don't get me wrong. I'm pro-Minimate, 100%. I'm just saying Hasbro can probably better afford the Machine Man risk (who they know they can sell for his BAF part) than DST could. All of that is certainly true. I don't think Hasbro worries about peg warmers affecting future choices that retail buyers make the way DST does. But the two pack model should really alleviate some of that concern. I'm not suggesting packing Hellcat and Machine Man together, but I'd be happier to buy another Cap if it comes with Hellcat (just as I was happy to buy another Iron Man to get Ronin). At the end of the day, I think DST tries to do this, and I know Chuck and Robert have thought long and hard about what strategy sells the best. But I don't care about that any more; I want them to cater to me! Me and K80! Give us our Defenders vs the Squadron Supreme wave already!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlushyFrog Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 There's no getting around the movie waves. We're going to get them and they're going to take up slots. What I hope DST can do this year is really limit the rehashes / alternate costumes to no more than half of the wave. Wave 61 is a great start. Wave 62 is so-so. Hopefully the rest of the comic waves will really deliver on unique characters. I too would love to see Minimates cover the characters that have already been made into Marvel Legends (e.g., Wrecking Crew, Hellcat, Captain Marvel, Medusa, comic GotG). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stack32 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 HP, I'd argue that Hasbro and DST have SIGNIFICANTLY different business models/costs/retailer relationships. I'd further argue that Marvel Legends is a better established (read: more marketable/profitable) product line. Don't get me wrong. I'm pro-Minimate, 100%. I'm just saying Hasbro can probably better afford the Machine Man risk (who they know they can sell for his BAF part) than DST could. All of that is certainly true. I don't think Hasbro worries about peg warmers affecting future choices that retail buyers make the way DST does. But the two pack model should really alleviate some of that concern. I'm not suggesting packing Hellcat and Machine Man together, but I'd be happier to buy another Cap if it comes with Hellcat (just as I was happy to buy another Iron Man to get Ronin). I always assumed that the diversity we've seen previously was mostly because of two-packs or boxsets. Personally, I think it spreads risk better than the BAF strategy. I understand the need to careful with character selection, but it does seem like overkill when we keep seeing Cap, Thor, Iron Man or Hulk together in two-packs, outside of the movies anyway. Hasbro's remarkable character selection across its lines lately (Deathlok, Death's Head, Leader, Black Knight, Boomerang, Machine Man, Whirlwind, etc.) has definitely stoked some frustrations with minimates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigvis497 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Death's Head, drool.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murderofcrows Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 black knight. tigra. Jocasta. I could die happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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