Mattallica Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 here's this: on 1/29 I sent (another) message to Jan Utstein-O'Neill via her facebook page, I actually got a reply this time. Chat Conversation Start Wednesday 12:05pm where are our incentives for supporting Agent 88 via Kickstarter? They are a year over-due 55 minutes ago Hi Matt - We've been going back and forth with Diamond over the Minimates. Digger is personally going to meet with the folks at Diamond to get things movings. A number of the other incentives that didn't include Minimates have shipped and everyone of the backers received instructions on how to download the film. I hope to have news to report in the next two weeks on the Minimate schedule. Thank you, Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinoyminimate Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 (edited) Pretty sure that the books haven't shipped. I have a friend there in the US who is still waiting for his to arrive. I'm also wondering what DST has to say about the "going back and forth" part. I have a feeling it's news to them. Edited January 31, 2014 by pinoyminimate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buttheadsmate Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Hi Matt - We've been going back and forth with Diamond over the Minimates. Digger is personally going to meet with the folks at Diamond to get things movings. A number of the other incentives that didn't include Minimates have shipped and everyone of the backers received instructions on how to download the film. I hope to have news to report in the next two weeks on the Minimate schedule. Thank you, Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattallica Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 ......I'm also wondering what DST has to say about the "going back and forth" part. I have a feeling it's news to them. Dunno, Zach care to chime in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattallica Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 ......I'm also wondering what DST has to say about the "going back and forth" part. I have a feeling it's news to them. Dunno, Zach care to chime in? ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombie Shakespeare Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 I think Zach is wisely staying out of this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buttheadsmate Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 I think Zach is wisely staying out of this thread. The DST buck stops with Chuck . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youbastards Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 From the new Q&A, as close to Chuck saying "we're waiting on Digger" as we're going to get: Matthew K. ...oh! yeah… what ever happened to the Agent 88 Minimates?... DSTChuck: As for Agent 88, we work for Digger on that project, so you have to direct any questions you may have at him. I'm convinced these will never see the light of day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobsterman Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 My money is on a convention exclusive 2-pack in 2015. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattallica Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Again i would encourage everyone who backed this project to demand a refund from kickstarter, at this point its our only real recourse to put pressure on Digger. frankly this whole deal has such a bad taste,that I personally dont even want the mates anymore, just give me back my hard earned money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSTZach Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 I know Chuck still wants to get them made, but we can only do so much. We regularly check with Digger for updates, but we still need some info and resources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youbastards Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 (edited) That's not going to happen, Matt. Can Kickstarter refund the money if a project is unable to fulfill? No. Kickstarter doesn't issue refunds as transactions are between backers and creators directly. Creators receive all funds (less fees) soon after their campaign ends. Creators have the ability to refund backers through Amazon Payments (for US projects) and Kickstarter (for non-US projects). As I was told by Jan, when I requested a refund one month after the project completed (September 2012), the money was gone, spent on the production of the short film. I had even initiated the refund from Amazon who handled processing the payment, but because Jan replied with an estimated time-table for the deliverables (then December 2012), Amazon closed my case. The only way we will get our money back is if somehow Digger decides to refund $105,000 (or whatever the total of Minimate-related contributions) from his personal account. The only way we will get the Minimates is if Digger provides DST whatever was agreed upon at the time (I'm guessing DST agreed to produce at cost or slightly higher than cost), as I doubt DST agreed to be cover the full cost of production for him. It's a lose/lose situation. I know Chuck still wants to get them made, but we can only do so much. We regularly check with Digger for updates, but we still need some info and resources. There you go, 100% confirmation that the hold up is on Digger's end. Thanks Zach, I know this thread is probably a sore-spot for you, but thanks for posting. I know Chuck still wants to get them made, but we can only do so much. We regularly check with Digger for updates, but we still need some info and resources. Edited February 3, 2014 by youbastards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MsMarvel fan Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 I hope you guys get your deserved backer rewards. It was clear Digger was out to meet his kickstart amount, and sad that he used this community to meet those ends without follow through on his end. I'd be angry too if I backed him and he conned me out of my money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zak Katz Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 How much were the minimates again? There were different sets if I remember correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youbastards Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 There were lots of different Minimate options. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1460783231/agent-88-the-web-series Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterPL Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 If 3,000 units is the bare minimum that DST manufactures, I have to wonder how much money would have to be raised for a Minimates Kickstarter campaign. Would the money spent by Minimates collectors have been enough to pay for just the Minimates? I guess there's now way of knowing since supporters weren't all collectors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buttheadsmate Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 I'm off to bed (UK midnight) so maybe I'll wake up in the morning & find out just how these...... 5a6de7a2859b9bcaa66901650ac1cbb0_large.jpg ...... are going to be made ? I may have missed something but the entire number of pledges for the entire project is currently 561 ? 3000 is not the bare minimum that DST manufactures .....3000 is the bare minimum on a new property (quoth Chuck) . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellpop Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Plus, they were clearly bending their rules to help out Digger. It's a shame that he's misused that good will so unprofessionally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinoyminimate Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Please chime in: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3278942/board/thread/225477411 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattallica Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 That's not going to happen, Matt. Can Kickstarter refund the money if a project is unable to fulfill? No. Kickstarter doesn't issue refunds as transactions are between backers and creators directly. Creators receive all funds (less fees) soon after their campaign ends. Creators have the ability to refund backers through Amazon Payments (for US projects) and Kickstarter (for non-US projects). As I was told by Jan, when I requested a refund one month after the project completed (September 2012), the money was gone, spent on the production of the short film. I had even initiated the refund from Amazon who handled processing the payment, but because Jan replied with an estimated time-table for the deliverables (then December 2012), Amazon closed my case. The only way we will get our money back is if somehow Digger decides to refund $105,000 (or whatever the total of Minimate-related contributions) from his personal account. The only way we will get the Minimates is if Digger provides DST whatever was agreed upon at the time (I'm guessing DST agreed to produce at cost or slightly higher than cost), as I doubt DST agreed to be cover the full cost of production for him. It's a lose/lose situation. >I know Chuck still wants to get them made, but we can only do so much. We regularly check with Digger for updates, but we still need some info and resources. There you go, 100% confirmation that the hold up is on Digger's end. Thanks Zach, I know this thread is probably a sore-spot for you, but thanks for posting. I know Chuck still wants to get them made, but we can only do so much. We regularly check with Digger for updates, but we still need some info and resources. Realistically, yeah you're probably right but unless we do something this scumbag can (and probably will) use Kickstarter again in the future to scam others out of their cash, im of the mind that i'd rather help others even if i cant get my money back than do nothing, so i will continue to urge everyone involved to demand a refund from kickstarter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nessex Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 (edited) Well, i've followed Mattallica 's example and written to kickstarter. Hello,almost a year and a half ago i pledged $268 to back a project. I was led to believe that in return for helping to finance the product, I'd receive a DVD copy of the finished product, a hoodie, some Minimate action figures, a goodie bag, and more.The film was made and has been distributed electronically, but not a single one of the physical rewards have been offered. Delivery was estimated to be March of 2013. It's now February of 2014. 11 months of delay without a single updated deadline is unacceptable.I am having serious doubts as to whether Digger T Mesch has, or ever had, any intention of fulfilling his obligations. Attempts to contact him through a variety of mediums have failed.I'd like to formally request a refund, as the more time passes, the more it seems that Digger T Mesch has scammed a lot of people out of their money using Kickstarter.A full refund to those who pledged seems like the only fair thing to do from here on in.Thank you for taking the time to read this.I look forward to hearing back from you.Regards,M I can't say that i'm confident that anything will happen, but i can't really complain unless i do something about it myself. Edited February 5, 2014 by Nessex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattallica Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 A very well written letter, Nessex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSpiderX Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Unfortunately guys Kickstarter only acts as a middleman. They don't touch the cash besides what's paid to them as their final fee. Our best recourse at this point would be to round everyone up who paid for the Mates and have someone file a small claims case against him in his home state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinoyminimate Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Unfortunately guys Kickstarter only acts as a middleman. They don't touch the cash besides what's paid to them as their final fee. Our best recourse at this point would be to round everyone up who paid for the Mates and have someone file a small claims case against him in his home state. Agreed. I've exchanged emails with KS roughly 7-8 different times. They have made it clear that they are powerless to help get backers back their money. If anyone decides to take the lead on filing a suit, please consider me on board. Alternatively, you can help make as much noise about this matter so the public may know. Chime in here http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3278942/board/thread/225477411 or create a new thread/review. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buttheadsmate Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 I'm reading about a 'wish licence' TMNT in another thread . Digger ,I have read, has a 'friendship with Eastman' http://turtlepedia.wikia.com/wiki/Digger_T._Mesch So what ? Well .....there could be a few 'maybes' going on ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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